When I purchased my Pontiac G8, customers where all over the showroom vehicle........ this was before gas was over $3.50 a couple months ago. I was hoping the G8 will not fade away into the oblivion, but I think it will. Pontiac had high hope for this vehicle.

The G8 entail everything that anyone wants at $30K...............but not the pump price hahahah

[QUOTE=kansascitdrkman;5450540]There are a lot less enthusiast than are average car buyers. The economy is what it is.... And that is exactly the point why would someone buy a 25 to 35 thousand dollar car that in reality is a situational car with gas being almost the equivalent of half the car payment. I am not talking about enthusiast I am talking about average joe, to whom the life of the camaro is directly tied to. I hate beating a dead dog QUOTE]

 

Believe me, I know. I was one of the guys who thought the Camaro was definitely going to get an L76. (It's 361 horses, IIRC)

But here's one more question for you before I draw my own conclusions......
Does your wife drive through lots of hilly areas with the car?

Because so far we've got:
Big Sedan, with a Big V8, being driving around the city the majority of the time (which means AFM is virtually non-existant)....all that's needed is hilly areas, and I think the issue becomes quite obvious.

 

Mty point it that we are in a state of panic over the gas prices that should not be there its not that much higher than a year ago and the savings on a " fuel efficent car" are not that much.
also I never said that beer drinks ect are needs, its stuff people regardless ( stateing an exaple of things we spend tons of money on with out thinking twice about)and having any kind of car is not a need its a want. No body and I mean nobody needs to have a car. We buy them becouse we want them. the only things in life that are a nessecity are food water air the only thing one need to live ( and a camaro) everything else are for pleasure and people will make room in thrte budgets to have what they want. And if this car lives to all the buzz it will do just fine. you will still be paying have your payment or more than your payment in gas in a cobalt or aveo or any other small car.14 gallon tank $4 gas fill 3 times a month =$168 $12000( base model anything)car no negative equity 60 months + appx $300 a month
example: dodge store up the street from me sold two challangers last saturday for 20,000 over sticker.

 

Same here w/ our Impala. Was supposed to get 18/27 I think it was, we actually get 13/23-24. On the other hand, the vette was supposed to get 16/26, and it gets 19/31. Go figure.

 

California...............the land of fruits and nuts.

 

What planet are you living on?

 

Honestly, I read this thread through a couple of times. You are all over the place. A camaro plug as is cheaper then a mercedes + gas? If you were looking to buy a Mercedes, then why the hell did you "sacrifice" your TA? The G8 is MUCH cheaper and would not have required a trade in to het MUCH lower payments. Your basic thought track makes sense but you other statements make no sense. You have a V8 Expedition??? I owned one and they dont get over 13mpg combined milage. WTF would you not trade that?

 

yup...not to mention there's been at least 10 of these almost identical threads since gas prices have jumped up.

 

"Super good MPG"???!

Consider this....

Your 2002 Pontiac Trans Am was rated at 17 mpg city, and 25 mpg highway (manual) and 16 city 23 highway with the automatic.

The Pontiac G8 GT (automatic only) is rated at 15 & 24 MPG by the new measurements... By the old EPA measurements, the G8 gets 17 and 27 MPG respectively.

That's 2 MPG better on the highway than the manual, and a whopping 4 MPG improvement over a 2002 Firebird Trans Am with an automatic.

On top of that, the G8 GT has nearly a 20 horsepower and over 40 lbs/ft of torque advantage over the LS1


If that isn't overkill enough, consider that your 2001 Trans Am is basically a clapbox next to your 2008 Pontiac G8. The G8 has improved quality, IRS, light years ahead in better materials and construction, and being a 4 door, full size sports sedan, not a relatively lightweight 4 passenger sports coupe, is also about 450 pounds heavier to boot.



A better measurement would be MPG per horsepower. But even against the LS1, the G8 GT ends up alot better. More power. Better mileage... despite alot more weight.

Actually, that's Florida.

 

Exactly. I already own a car that gets good gas mileage (2007 Ford Focus Wagon, it's my work car, I drive over 4000 miles a month on it). If I need to go on a long trip, I'll use it. Not my current 94 Camaro. Not my 2010 Camaro that I will be buying (I also won't be getting rid of my current Camaro either). They will be my weekend drivers, and they will sit in the garage if it's raining or winter.

Oh, and I also own a 97 S10 pickup and just bought today a 95 Tahoe 1500 4x4 (it's a new project car, don't know what I'm going to do with it yet). So next year, I'll own 5 different cars. I'm 1 guy, live by myself, have no wife or kids. I make good money and I like cars. Even at $7 a gallon, I'll still drive my Camaros on the weekend.

Not everyone is worried about gas prices. Sure, most people have been effected by them. But for those of us looking to buy the Camaro as a weekend toy, we aren't worried about it. And I know I'm not the only one who's going to do this.

I think the majority of the problem is that so many people today seem to think they should be able to tell others what they should and should not be able to have and do. No one needs a 500 horsepower car, so why should they be allowed to sell them? Well, just because I don't need it, doesn't mean I don't want it! And just because you don't like it doesn't give you the right to tell me what I can and cannot have.

As for gas going to $7 a gallon, I seriously doubt it. This is the same doom-and-gloom scaremongering that happened back in the 70s and early 80s. Oil was suppose to just keep climbing in price until the world turned into Mad Max. Well, it didn't happen then and I don't think it's going to happen now. After the early 80s, we ended up with gas at about $1 for the next 20 years. So I'll just sit back and wait on what's going to happen in the next 5 years.

 

Not sure where you get your information Matt, or if you actually check on this stuff. For the record, there hasn't been a single Challenger sold in California outside of the 2008, sold-out SRT8. Chrysler only recently started accepting orders on the regular 2009 Challengers (ie: the V6 and the R/T), and early indications are that orders are coming in at a very good clip.

Yes, this is California.



Mine is one of them.


Not sure if I follow here.

Did you sell the car due to a steering pinion leak or the rough idle?
If you could afford a Mercedes, why the hysteria over fuel prices?

Let me take a stab at something here..... I'm betting your T/A was a 6 speed manual. Because that's where the issue is. The automatics aren't that great with fuel economy in day to day driving although they can be programmed to cheat EPA tests. With the 6 speed manual, you could get some pretty amazing mileage (better than EPA numbers) in regular day-to-day driving. I did with my '97 Z28.

 

I can't believe you're going 3-4 weeks on a tank of gas in a Saturn.
What do you drive, 1 mile a day?

They don't get THAT good of mileage.


And the window sticker on the G8 TOLD you it got 24 MPG on the highway. Why on Earth would you think it would get 28-30 MPG?

 

The Solstice picture is interesting considering that the 4 cylinder Solstice doesn't really have any fuel economy advantage over the 8 cylinder Corvette.

I can't speak for the actual numbers in the G8, but my 2001 Formula automatic peaks at about 25mpg @ 55-65mph, but then falls off to about 22mpg at 80mpg as far as I remember. This is via measurement with HPTuners based on RPM, mph, and injector pulses. If his instant economy measured by the computer in his G8 says it is only getting 18mpg @ 80mph in the G8, it is in fact less than the Fbody autos on the road there. That is unless some difference between Texas and California gasoline causes the penalty. But even so, I don't think it is completely fair to the G8 to expect much better fuel economy than an Fbody, even if it is newer since it is a big sedan. However, I would expect it to perform somewhere near the EPA ratings, and certainly not below 20mpg on the road. Sounds like it needs the rear axle ratio corrected.

Just to clarify, those EPA ratings for the 2002's are the new measurement, not the window sticker ratings.

 

I been paying $7.50 all this time....

 

Matthew Rox, your logic is all over the map!? You own FOUR vehicles, THREE of which are "gas guzzlers". Yet you're complaining about FUEL prices, and you didn't want to spend ~a couple hundred bucks to fix a (minor) leaky steering rack? So instead of doing regular maintenance on your car, you want to replace the car entirely, and you wanted a Mercedes, but cheaped out and bought a G8!?

So because of all that, you're concerned that the Camaro isn't going to sell?

Whatever . Sorry if I missed your point(s) completely .