Originally Posted by falchulk

I dont know what srt8 you were driving but the Charger is definitely no soulless. Its a monster. Its also not dead quiet at an idle. There is lope in there. If it was too quiet for your taste all it takes is a new exhaust. The RT is too quiet at idle with the stock exhaust. Maybe you were driving an RT?

Originally Posted by radz282003

I think the top Camaro will do very well against an SRT8 when it finally comes out. I don't think it will come out 4000+ lbs. (well, I HOPE not.)

Originally Posted by JakeRobb

Unfortunately, you're going to need to get used to that.

In another thread a while back, someone begged for the last two digits of the Camaro SS's curb weight. One of the disciples obliged: 14 for the auto, 77 for the manual.

Figuring that the auto is the heavier of the two, I think that the most likely pairing is 3877 and 3914. I'd love to be a hundred high on that, but I just can't see that happening.

The ZR1's curb weight is 3350 pounds. The base LS3 Corvette is 3217. That's 133 more pounds, and the ZR1 has a bunch of carbon fiber parts to compensate for the added weight. We can therefore assume that adding a supercharger (plus upgrading the drivetrain to handle the power and adding a different hood, wider wheels and tires, and fender flares to accomodate them) will add at least 133 more pounds.

3877 + 133 = 4010. If you accept my original guess, that's your bare minimum weight for a supercharged Camaro.

4010 is still lighter than the Challenger SRT-8.

Originally Posted by Shellhead

Obviously too much body roll is scary, but I think it's actually less enjoyable to drive a car that stays perfectly upright through the corners. I'm probably not being clear, but the SRT8's that drove all rode more like high-powered Bonnevilles than pony cars.

Note that I didn't say Zeta was the *perfect* platform - in my experience there is no such thing. You'll never get a platform that has the ideal stiffness, structure, cost and weight for a car like Camaro because that platform won't be economically feasible for a wide range of applications - especially higher volume. But the Zeta platform is not just borrowed from a sedan like the LX platform is - the platform is being specifically modified for Camaro and Chrysler did (and does) not spend the time or money doing that for the SRT's.

Originally Posted by Pruettfan

News flash to you. The difference in weight between a 2 door and 4 is minimal. An example is the M3 Coupe weighs 22 pounds less than the M3 Sedan. The Camaro will be very close to the G8 weight which is 4000Lbs. In this day of electronics and safety standards it would be tough to get the weight down a whole lot. Wanna get a shock look at the weight of the Honda Civic which is almost 3000 lbs with a 4 banger, tiny size and manual trans.

Originally Posted by guionM

If performance counted, we'd still have Camaros and the Mustang would have been on hiatus. Even though I'm a performance fan, to be honest, I couldn't care less if the new Camaro outperforms Challenger or even Mustang. I'm going for the car that best suits what I need, want, and is a priority. And so will probably 99% of the new car buyers. If Camaro is the slowest of the group, but still is closer to what I want, it will win just like Mustang and Challenger will win my cash if either one of them comes closest to what I need or want. All 3 are extremely quick. All 3 handle extremely well. One isn't likely to embarass the others, so it's down to personal items.

Do I care if 1 car is .2 seconds quicker in the quarter mile? Nope. How often does anyone take their car to the drag strip. Do I care if a car gets around a test track in Germany I will never drive a few seconds quicker than another? Uh..nope.

What I DO care about is that the car is well made. That when I sit inside it, I like what I see and feel.

I drive long distances, are the seats something I can live on the Interstate with till I have to refuel again?

Sure, the car may blaze around a smooth racetrack, but does it feel comfortable zipping around sometimes bumpy and uneven curves of Highway 1? Is the steering well balenced and gives great feedback? Does the transmission shifter flow smoothly into each gear? Does the brakes haul down the car like nobody's business? When it's time to replace things, is it going to take me to the cleaners (Brembo brake replacement parts aren't cheap)?

Finally, is it a car I'm going to enjoy without any regrets for the duration of the car payments.

Yes, price, interior, and trunk space are big players, and give the Challenger the edge. But as I mentioned, the jury's still out to answer the questions I posted above.

I see Challenger R/T is a much quicker modern version of the Thunderbird SC. Big roomy, and very, very fast (positive). I see the current Mustang (as opposed to the very different previous version) as a step sideways from my 4th gen Camaro. It's just as wide and drives, handles, and feels very similar to my 4th gen (including acceleration). The new Camaro is an unknown quanity. Sure, it came off a G8 chassis, but there is so many different componets, tuning, tweaks, and weight distribution and chassis dynamics, there is no way in know what this car is like until you actually take one out and see (and compare) for yourself.

The Challenger R/T has the edge with me right now. But that can be lost if Camaro SS:

* Undercuts the R/T's price... not by a few dollars, but by a few thousand dollars.
* The interior materials on the camaro make up for the spartan look of the concept.
* The SS rides better, it's seats are better, and it just feels better than the R/T.
* Has a better back seat area than the Challenger, or at least can carry live people older than 4.
* Is overall a much better deal than the R/T.

The V6 Camaro already by all indications blows away the V6 Challenger. The Challenger won't be slow, but the Camaro seem to have the right package down to a manual. The Z28 (assuming it's the same price of the SRT, but I doubt it) will be packing alot more horses for the money, though it still won't be cheap... or lightweight... gets my tentative nod over the Challenger SRT8.

But again, in the R/T versus the SS contest, the jury is waiting for more information.

Originally Posted by JakeRobb

Unfortunately, you're going to need to get used to that.

In another thread a while back, someone begged for the last two digits of the Camaro SS's curb weight. One of the disciples obliged: 14 for the auto, 77 for the manual.

Figuring that the auto is the heavier of the two, I think that the most likely pairing is 3877 and 3914. I'd love to be a hundred high on that, but I just can't see that happening.

The ZR1's curb weight is 3350 pounds. The base LS3 Corvette is 3217. That's 133 more pounds, and the ZR1 has a bunch of carbon fiber parts to compensate for the added weight. We can therefore assume that adding a supercharger (plus upgrading the drivetrain to handle the power and adding a different hood, wider wheels and tires, and fender flares to accomodate them) will add at least 133 more pounds.

3877 + 133 = 4010. If you accept my original guess, that's your bare minimum weight for a supercharged Camaro.

4010 is still lighter than the Challenger SRT-8.

Originally Posted by guionM

Cutting to the chase, if I were buying a V6, it would be no contest. The Chevy Camaro with it's 50/50 weight distribution, direct injection V6 of over 300 horsepower and high fuel economy, along with a manual tranny and performance tuned suspension makes it a no brainer next to the Challenger's auto only, "afterthought" mentality of the V6 version. It won't be a dog, but Camaro's version will corner the V6=fun market even better than the Mustang will manage.

Between the SS Camaro and R/T Challenger, I'd say the jury is still hearing the case. We need a) the actual weight of the Camaro, and b) the actual output of the engine, and c) the gearing and d) the performance and fuel mileage of the production version of both cars before one can make a final judgement. That goes without mentioning driving characteristics and interior room as well as general feel and quality of materials and how trhe cockpit actually feels. Things one can't possibly objectively judge until both cars are available. At the moment, I'd give the edge to Challenger R/T, but that's tentative.

And finally, between the Z28 and the SRT. Based on what I know and nothing else, I'd say the supercharged Z28 would get my nod over the SRT8 Challenger... but conditionally.

Originally Posted by 6806goats

Exact reason why I bought a GTO. Might not be stylish but it handles well, is very comfortable for long distance, great power and engine sound, good ergonomics and built like a tank. While it's fast enough right now, a pair of turbos will take care of future power needs. But when I consider engine mods and upgrading to a Pedder suspension I might be approaching the same overall costs as a new Camaro Z-28. We'll see what happens to resale value in the long run and money spent on modding. Since many don't like the styling, only it's performance will make it rare...and survivability. Many people just don't realize the power of this car and they're getting stacked up at an alarming rate. But I still like my 68 Camaro and the new one should be awesome.

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

I went with sunroof, MyGIG, 20" wheels, leather seats and a 6 speed. I could do with out MyGIG though which was 1300