Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
#31
Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
Originally Posted by I8COBRA
On the contrary, I hope it will. It was a HUGE mistake with the 4th gen, the only thing that differentiated the SS and Z was a hood, spoiler, catback, shocks and wheels, oh wait, and SS floormats
I would LOVE to see the SS badge mean something, like more power, better handling, better braking.
I would LOVE to see the SS badge mean something, like more power, better handling, better braking.
Last edited by 5thgen69camaro; 01-25-2006 at 01:34 AM.
#33
Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
I was always on the side beleiveing the 427 could be offered. GM can do whatever it wants.
I liked this excerpt the best
...For production we would obviously do like we did in the old days -- you would have a popular-priced six-cylinder version, then you step up to an eight, then you step up to the next eight
Sounds like an RS V8 to me!
I liked this excerpt the best
...For production we would obviously do like we did in the old days -- you would have a popular-priced six-cylinder version, then you step up to an eight, then you step up to the next eight
Sounds like an RS V8 to me!
#34
Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
Originally Posted by NikiVee
How much would an LS7 Camaro cost? 40K, 45K, 50K?
read...
Originally Posted by Maximum Bob
If we were to put this car into production, it would be priced with the Mustang
#35
Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
I'm sorry but I just don't think the SS badge means much, its not pure. Its been on a lot of other models. To me Z28 is to the Camaro as the Z06 has become to the Vette. I think Z28 should be the top model, maybe an RS middle model with a v-8. But if I had to buy an SS to get an xtra 100 horse I think I would get some z28 badges for it. I mean do we really want to share the SS badge with the cobalt, and everything else. Z28 distinguishes the Camaro IMO.
#36
Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
The "SS" term has been down-marketed so completely by the endlessly tacky marketing dept. at GM, that I honestly, truly pray that it never again makes an appearance on a Camaro.
They have pussified it so much by taping it onto vanilla V-6 Monte-carlo's and whatnot that any prestige that once came with the name now means nothing.
They have pussified it so much by taping it onto vanilla V-6 Monte-carlo's and whatnot that any prestige that once came with the name now means nothing.
#37
Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
Originally Posted by mdlestat
The "SS" term has been down-marketed so completely by the endlessly tacky marketing dept. at GM, that I honestly, truly pray that it never again makes an appearance on a Camaro.
#38
Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
i think there will and should be an SS camaro.. but i think the Z28 should reign as the top model, put an LS7 in it, price it to compete with the GT500
there is only one Z28, and that's a camaro, the SS moniker is across the Chevy line.. as Scott likes to say, if it's an SS, you know it's a chevy, if it's a Z28, you know it's a Camaro..
so, like the Vette's Z06, the Camaro should have it's top of the line Z28.. they should have a
base camaro LZ8 250hp v6, $20,000
an RS mid range LS4 300hp v8, $25,000
the LS2 400hp SS, $30,000
and the top of the line LS7 500HP z28, $40,000
there is only one Z28, and that's a camaro, the SS moniker is across the Chevy line.. as Scott likes to say, if it's an SS, you know it's a chevy, if it's a Z28, you know it's a Camaro..
so, like the Vette's Z06, the Camaro should have it's top of the line Z28.. they should have a
base camaro LZ8 250hp v6, $20,000
an RS mid range LS4 300hp v8, $25,000
the LS2 400hp SS, $30,000
and the top of the line LS7 500HP z28, $40,000
Last edited by FS3800; 01-25-2006 at 12:55 PM.
#39
Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
RS shouldn't automatically mean V8. Rally Sport was originally a style package that offered different headlamps, tail lamps and chrome trim. It was available on every Camaro from the base 230cid-L6, to the SS-350, to the Z/28 race car in street trim. The only trim options that couldn't be combined were SS and Z/28.
If GM wants to make a spoiler/stripe style package called "RS" make it optional across the board on any model Camaro. (Convertible included.)
People have been suggesting a base V6, a performance V6, a base V8 and a performance V8. (And then a little later a Super-performance V8.) Although Lutz himself suggested that any engine in GM's stable could end up in a production Camaro, I just don't see a need for a performance V6 AND a base V8. The two are going to cut into the same market, especially when you consider the V8s will have AFM. I don't buy the "insurance is less for a V6" argument either. As I have reported on numerous occasions, that is a myth and my own personal experience when checking insurance prices with my carrier for my then 16 year-old son, I found that the cost to insure a V6 Mustang was double that of a V8 Mustang GT. Its based on historical data for each particular model and varies by carrier. (Check with your carrier for your costs.)
As I see it there needs to be only two engine options initially, but I can see three if that's what people want.
Base V6 (3.5L 200-250hp)
Base V8 with AFM (5.3L ~300hp)
SS V8 with AFM (6.0L N/A or possibly supercharged 5.3L ~400-450hp)
A little later (12-18 mos.) GM can introduce a Super Camaro street-racer with 500+hp to go against the GT-500. (This will be the Camaro I purchase.)
If GM wants to make a spoiler/stripe style package called "RS" make it optional across the board on any model Camaro. (Convertible included.)
People have been suggesting a base V6, a performance V6, a base V8 and a performance V8. (And then a little later a Super-performance V8.) Although Lutz himself suggested that any engine in GM's stable could end up in a production Camaro, I just don't see a need for a performance V6 AND a base V8. The two are going to cut into the same market, especially when you consider the V8s will have AFM. I don't buy the "insurance is less for a V6" argument either. As I have reported on numerous occasions, that is a myth and my own personal experience when checking insurance prices with my carrier for my then 16 year-old son, I found that the cost to insure a V6 Mustang was double that of a V8 Mustang GT. Its based on historical data for each particular model and varies by carrier. (Check with your carrier for your costs.)
As I see it there needs to be only two engine options initially, but I can see three if that's what people want.
Base V6 (3.5L 200-250hp)
Base V8 with AFM (5.3L ~300hp)
SS V8 with AFM (6.0L N/A or possibly supercharged 5.3L ~400-450hp)
A little later (12-18 mos.) GM can introduce a Super Camaro street-racer with 500+hp to go against the GT-500. (This will be the Camaro I purchase.)
#40
Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
Originally Posted by FS3800
i think there will and should be an SS camaro.. but i think the Z28 should reign as the top model, put an LS7 in it, price it to compete with the GT500
there is only one Z28, and that's a camaro, the SS moniker is across the Chevy line.. as Scott likes to say, if it's an SS, you know it's a chevy, if it's a Z28, you know it's a Camaro..
so, like the Vette's Z06, the Camaro should have it's top of the line Z28..
there is only one Z28, and that's a camaro, the SS moniker is across the Chevy line.. as Scott likes to say, if it's an SS, you know it's a chevy, if it's a Z28, you know it's a Camaro..
so, like the Vette's Z06, the Camaro should have it's top of the line Z28..
That's exactly what I've been saying. Agree whole heartedly. Z28 is and means and stands for Camaro.
#41
Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
The "SS" questions will always loom. I bought the last SS Camaro because of the look (spoiler & hood did it for me) and the legendary name. The watering down has gotten better over the last year (TrailBlazer & Cobalt, Imp/Monte at least got a V8), but there are questionable choices as well-Silverado, Malibu/Maxx. I will have an SS if it's available in the new gen.
#42
Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
Originally Posted by Jacoz35thSS
questionable choices as well-Silverado, Malibu/Maxx. I will have an SS if it's available in the new gen.
#43
Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
I like what GM did with the Silverado and Trailblazer SS. Totally different animals then their siblings.
I believe from the beginning the Camaro SS has always tried standing at least a head above the Z28. I dont see that changing. I very much doubt we'll see a LS2 SS and a LS7 Z28, that would not make much sense.
I believe from the beginning the Camaro SS has always tried standing at least a head above the Z28. I dont see that changing. I very much doubt we'll see a LS2 SS and a LS7 Z28, that would not make much sense.
#44
Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
Originally Posted by I8COBRA
I like what GM did with the Silverado and Trailblazer SS. Totally different animals then their siblings.
I believe from the beginning the Camaro SS has always tried standing at least a head above the Z28. I dont see that changing. I very much doubt we'll see a LS2 SS and a LS7 Z28, that would not make much sense.
I believe from the beginning the Camaro SS has always tried standing at least a head above the Z28. I dont see that changing. I very much doubt we'll see a LS2 SS and a LS7 Z28, that would not make much sense.
#45
Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
As I recall back in the early 60's you could order a SS and it came with a base 6 cylinder and bucket seats and SS trim. SS certainly hasn't meant the same thing to every one, including Chevrolet.