Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
01-25-2006 | 09:24 PM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
Originally Posted by mdlestat
The "SS" term has been down-marketed so completely by the endlessly tacky marketing dept. at GM, that I honestly, truly pray that it never again makes an appearance on a Camaro.
They have pussified it so much by taping it onto vanilla V-6 Monte-carlo's and whatnot that any prestige that once came with the name now means nothing.
They have pussified it so much by taping it onto vanilla V-6 Monte-carlo's and whatnot that any prestige that once came with the name now means nothing.
you could say that about the 454SS truck, 83-88 Monte Carlo SS and the 01-04 Monte NA SS. But Chevys current SS lineup is so far froma stripe job its not evern funny. They'll beat most 60's SS cars.
But some how being mostly FWD (for now) is not good enough, and making too many SS is somehow bad
01-26-2006 | 01:43 AM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
Originally Posted by I8COBRA
I very much doubt we'll see a LS2 SS and a LS7 Z28, that would not make much sense.
An "SS" is a performance/luxury Chevrolet. A "Z/28" is Camaro race car in street trim. The LS2 is GM's V8 performance engine. The LS7 is a racing version in street trim based on the same V8 design. LS2 belongs with "SS" and LS7 belongs with "Z/28".
Several people disagree and have made cases to why "SS" should be top dog. History and fact say otherwise.
Others can continue to disagree. But I will never change my mind on this.
However, regardless of what GM calls it, I will buy the 500+hp version of the Camaro. (And it won't be called ZL1.)
01-26-2006 | 02:48 AM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
Originally Posted by jg95z28
Sorry but I disagree.
An "SS" is a performance/luxury Chevrolet. A "Z/28" is Camaro race car in street trim. The LS2 is GM's V8 performance engine. The LS7 is a racing version in street trim based on the same V8 design. LS2 belongs with "SS" and LS7 belongs with "Z/28".
(And it won't be called ZL1.)
An "SS" is a performance/luxury Chevrolet. A "Z/28" is Camaro race car in street trim. The LS2 is GM's V8 performance engine. The LS7 is a racing version in street trim based on the same V8 design. LS2 belongs with "SS" and LS7 belongs with "Z/28".
(And it won't be called ZL1.)
01-26-2006 | 07:59 AM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
Originally Posted by jg95z28
Sorry but I disagree.
An "SS" is a performance/luxury Chevrolet. A "Z/28" is Camaro race car in street trim. The LS2 is GM's V8 performance engine. The LS7 is a racing version in street trim based on the same V8 design. LS2 belongs with "SS" and LS7 belongs with "Z/28".
Several people disagree and have made cases to why "SS" should be top dog. History and fact say otherwise.
Others can continue to disagree. But I will never change my mind on this.
However, regardless of what GM calls it, I will buy the 500+hp version of the Camaro. (And it won't be called ZL1.)
An "SS" is a performance/luxury Chevrolet. A "Z/28" is Camaro race car in street trim. The LS2 is GM's V8 performance engine. The LS7 is a racing version in street trim based on the same V8 design. LS2 belongs with "SS" and LS7 belongs with "Z/28".
Several people disagree and have made cases to why "SS" should be top dog. History and fact say otherwise.
Others can continue to disagree. But I will never change my mind on this.
However, regardless of what GM calls it, I will buy the 500+hp version of the Camaro. (And it won't be called ZL1.)
I agree 110%. Give the race model the race designated engine.
Looks like the GT500 is gonna be having some company sooner or later. Good stuff for us Ford and Chevy fans.
01-26-2006 | 10:19 AM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
Originally Posted by jg95z28
Sorry but I disagree.
An "SS" is a performance/luxury Chevrolet. A "Z/28" is Camaro race car in street trim. The LS2 is GM's V8 performance engine. The LS7 is a racing version in street trim based on the same V8 design. LS2 belongs with "SS" and LS7 belongs with "Z/28".
Several people disagree and have made cases to why "SS" should be top dog. History and fact say otherwise.
Others can continue to disagree. But I will never change my mind on this.
However, regardless of what GM calls it, I will buy the 500+hp version of the Camaro. (And it won't be called ZL1.)
An "SS" is a performance/luxury Chevrolet. A "Z/28" is Camaro race car in street trim. The LS2 is GM's V8 performance engine. The LS7 is a racing version in street trim based on the same V8 design. LS2 belongs with "SS" and LS7 belongs with "Z/28".
Several people disagree and have made cases to why "SS" should be top dog. History and fact say otherwise.
Others can continue to disagree. But I will never change my mind on this.
However, regardless of what GM calls it, I will buy the 500+hp version of the Camaro. (And it won't be called ZL1.)
01-26-2006 | 04:13 PM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
Originally Posted by Z284ever
Modern styling
I've got to say that Rick Wagoner deserves a lot of the credit for it because the early clay models that we had were much more in keeping with the '60s through the '70s.
Rick saw the pictures and said, "Why are we doing this? Let's have another go at it and create a new car that captures the spirit of the '69, because that is what you really want. You don't want to repeat the past slavishly. You want to do a vehicle that captures all of the spirit, the passion, the essence of the old car, but reinterpret it in a new and modern and contemporary way that is going to last awhile."
I've got to say that Rick Wagoner deserves a lot of the credit for it because the early clay models that we had were much more in keeping with the '60s through the '70s.
Rick saw the pictures and said, "Why are we doing this? Let's have another go at it and create a new car that captures the spirit of the '69, because that is what you really want. You don't want to repeat the past slavishly. You want to do a vehicle that captures all of the spirit, the passion, the essence of the old car, but reinterpret it in a new and modern and contemporary way that is going to last awhile."
The LS7 Camaro was never a rumor, it was mentioned from day 1 by Bob Lutz, as quoted in my sigline from fastlane.gmblogs.com
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01-27-2006 | 01:55 AM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
In all honesty, Id probably opt for a mid 400 hp L92/LS3 6.2 in my Z28. I dunno if Id jump up to the 500hp car just yet.
I will get a Z28, and I want it red!!
I will get a Z28, and I want it red!!
01-27-2006 | 04:10 PM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
I'm down with the peeps cryin out for a v8 RS...my RS was a small-block 305,so I doubt an RS with a V8 was unheard of.But I agree/think it would be all the more sweeter if they offered the combining of the trim levels.SS/RS,Z28/RS like back in the day.You see in my mind,I'm thinkin those had to have been some of the sweetest and baddest maros of them all,aside from the COPO models.And please don't flame me for that comment.But yeah that's just my two cents and my mentality behind it all...
01-29-2006 | 10:10 AM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
Originally Posted by Gunny Highway
You Z/28 guys need to give it up. . . aint going to happen.
01-29-2006 | 11:14 AM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".
Originally Posted by Gunny Highway
As for the original article posted. . . . I'll believe the whole 500hp thing when I see it. 
