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Old 02-13-2006 | 02:34 PM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".

Originally Posted by stars1010
How bout a full thought kido?!?

Make an argument to support your claim....(so I can prove you wrong)
I dunno its probably just me but by time 2009 rolls around 300hp just wont be alot imo.

These are what I think the HP should range in

Base V6 - 3.9L 250-290hp
Base V8 - 5.3L 350-375hp
SS - LS2 6.0L 400-425hp
Z28 - LS3 6.2L 450-475hp


Maybe im thinkin to high I dunno thats just my guess in areas oh hp. Ready for you to prove me wrong now stefan
Old 02-13-2006 | 02:59 PM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".

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These are what I think the HP should range in

Base V6 - 3.9L 250-290hp
Base V8 - 5.3L 350-375hp
SS - LS3 6.2L 450-475hp
Z28 - LS9 6.2L SC 550-575hp
I fixed your typos for you.
Old 02-13-2006 | 03:06 PM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".

It will be interesting to see what they do, if they build it.
Old 02-13-2006 | 03:39 PM
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Its simple guys....

We have to assasinate the 'Vette. That's all there is to it! lol
Old 02-13-2006 | 04:12 PM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".

Am I the only one that sees irony in a base v8 making way more (rated) power than an LS1?

I thought a big detractor to the F-bod's of recent past was the fact that they made too much power for the average consumer?

I understand that GM doesn't lose HP wars, so I would set it around 310-325hp max. They want to outdo mustang by a little, but not enough to scare away the buyer who just wants a v8.
Old 02-13-2006 | 04:48 PM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".

It wasnt the HP, it was the Mustang looked like a cute pony ride and across the street Chevy was selling a missle.
Old 02-13-2006 | 05:04 PM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".

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Am I the only one that sees irony in a base v8 making way more (rated) power than an LS1?

I thought a big detractor to the F-bod's of recent past was the fact that they made too much power for the average consumer?

I understand that GM doesn't lose HP wars, so I would set it around 310-325hp max. They want to outdo mustang by a little, but not enough to scare away the buyer who just wants a v8.
the big detractor was stale styling that had been around for 10 years, old technology, impractical doors, rear seats, seating position (like sitting in a bath tub).. hood that could not be seen, long front overhange making it easy to scrape the front end.. all those things, i think, made people shy away from the 4th gen in the later years
Old 02-14-2006 | 01:06 AM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".

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the big detractor was stale styling that had been around for 10 years, old technology, impractical doors, rear seats, seating position (like sitting in a bath tub).. hood that could not be seen, long front overhange making it easy to scrape the front end.. all those things, i think, made people shy away from the 4th gen in the later years
Exactly.

If the car is desirable and "cool", too much power is not going to steer clear the masses. The problem with the 4th gen was at the end of its run it just wasn't cool enough anymore to the buying public.
Old 02-14-2006 | 02:08 AM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".

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Am I the only one that sees irony in a base v8 making way more (rated) power than an LS1?

I thought a big detractor to the F-bod's of recent past was the fact that they made too much power for the average consumer?

I understand that GM doesn't lose HP wars, so I would set it around 310-325hp max. They want to outdo mustang by a little, but not enough to scare away the buyer who just wants a v8.
Yeah it had way too much horsepower! The front over hang wasnt long enough. and the engine wasnt far enough under the dash

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Old 02-14-2006 | 10:52 AM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".

Originally Posted by TQdrivenws6
Am I the only one that sees irony in a base v8 making way more (rated) power than an LS1?

I thought a big detractor to the F-bod's of recent past was the fact that they made too much power for the average consumer?

I understand that GM doesn't lose HP wars, so I would set it around 310-325hp max. They want to outdo mustang by a little, but not enough to scare away the buyer who just wants a v8.
no your not. I doubt it'd be over 325hp. I can't se the Mustang GT getting much of a power increase by the time the Camaro comes out. Thats what the specail edition mustangs are for.

To keep the price low, very few changes will ocour to the theoretical base V8--they grab it from the Tahoe, do some ECM tuning and an exhaust. (something like that)
Old 02-14-2006 | 11:49 AM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".

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Am I the only one that sees irony in a base v8 making way more (rated) power than an LS1?

I thought a big detractor to the F-bod's of recent past was the fact that they made too much power for the average consumer?

I understand that GM doesn't lose HP wars, so I would set it around 310-325hp max. They want to outdo mustang by a little, but not enough to scare away the buyer who just wants a v8.
Which is exactly why I initially said a base V8 isn't necessary for this car to be successful. Why build a 325hp small V8 when you can build a 325hp V6 just as easily? The V6 would satisfy the people that want cheaper insurance, better gas mileage, yet still enough performance to flogg a Mustang or two.

However AFM changes all this. If you can build a 400hp V8 that gets similar fuel efficency to a V6; do you still offer a V6 to statisfy the insurance companies and everyone else that still thinks a V6 is cheaper than a modern V8 with AFM? Unless they come up with a V6 with AFM or some other way to get 4-cylinder fuel efficency out of it; I just don't see the need for a V6 AND a base V8.

I'm beginning to think that we'll actually end up seeing a standard GM RWD V8, a bigger GM RWD V8 and an optional supercharged version of the bigger V8.
Old 02-14-2006 | 01:48 PM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".

They do have the AFM V6s don't they? I don't know if they will make their way into the Camaro or not. I'm still concerned about V8 only because of the negative image that some people have of V8s as ancient and gas guzzlers. We need some marketing guru to find out if it would help or hurt sales.
Old 02-14-2006 | 02:14 PM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".

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They do have the AFM V6s don't they? I don't know if they will make their way into the Camaro or not.
I don't they they do... yet. At least I haven't found any information on any.
Originally Posted by HAZ-Matt
I'm still concerned about V8 only because of the negative image that some people have of V8s as ancient and gas guzzlers. We need some marketing guru to find out if it would help or hurt sales.
Actually, I'm not so much now. GM has been marketing the fact that they have a 303hp small-block V8 that gets 30mph highway in the Impala. By the time Camaro officially returns, GM could have saturated the market with the knowledge they have fuel efficient great performing V8s available.
Old 02-14-2006 | 02:29 PM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".

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It wasnt the HP, it was the Mustang looked like a cute pony ride and across the street Chevy was selling a missle.
great quote
Old 02-14-2006 | 03:09 PM
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Re: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have".

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Which is exactly why I initially said a base V8 isn't necessary for this car to be successful. Why build a 325hp small V8 when you can build a 325hp V6 just as easily? The V6 would satisfy the people that want cheaper insurance, better gas mileage, yet still enough performance to flogg a Mustang or two.

However AFM changes all this. If you can build a 400hp V8 that gets similar fuel efficency to a V6; do you still offer a V6 to statisfy the insurance companies and everyone else that still thinks a V6 is cheaper than a modern V8 with AFM? Unless they come up with a V6 with AFM or some other way to get 4-cylinder fuel efficency out of it; I just don't see the need for a V6 AND a base V8.

I'm beginning to think that we'll actually end up seeing a standard GM RWD V8, a bigger GM RWD V8 and an optional supercharged version of the bigger V8.
Are you saying a base car would have an LS2? All great points but I dont think you could start this car with LS2 around 20K



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