On top of that this "anemic" 4-banger will also be a lot easier to tune for more power. 300HP from a Turbo 2.0L will be a lot easier than 300HP from a non-DI 3.6L.

 

some people still seem to think that " a four banger is a four banger", as if the Turbo 2.0L is in the same category as the 2.5L Iron Duke from 1983. Same goes for the V6... do you REALLY think that the current V6s that GM has to offer are comperable to a 2.8L or 3.1L that would be found in a 3rd gen or corsica?

Let your preconceived notions about 4 and 6 cylinder engines go. That enemic 4 banger is putting out more than a T/A or Z28 put out before the L98 came around. Not everyone has a raging hard-on for a V8 like most of us do, and would be perfectly happy with a really cool looking Camaro that doesn't eat gas.

 

[QUOTE=JakeRobb
That was neat, how you made up all of that completely baseless stuff.



Wait until the car goes on sale. Wait until you've seen the available option packages. Wait until you've attempted to configure the Camaro you want and have seen if you like the price.

Then, if you're still not happy, feel free to complain.

Until then, shut the heck up about it.[/QUOTE]

Well, okay then- guess I have been told....

Guess I'm not allowed, by the self-appointed thought police, to express my opinions here- I am not supposed to be disappointed that, after months of assurances by Scott Settlemire that the Camaro was going to compete on a price-point basis with the Mustang, now we are told by Lutz that this is a 'premium' product, no doubt at a 'premium price'

Camaro used to be near Corvette performance at half the list price- that is why enthusiasts bought them, bang-for-the-buck. Apparently you haven't had the 'pleasure' of wading through a GM build sheet, and finding out that you can't get this option without that option, or, that if you order (for instance, stay with me here) you ordered the sport wheel package you couldn't also order the larger sport brakes, or if you wanted the handling suspension, you couldn't also order the heavy-duty trailer package with bigger axles and radiator-

If GM knew what the heck they were doing, how did they go from being the biggest auto company in the world to being in second place in their own country? Oh, I forgot, I am not allowed to have an opinion here, guess I better go mind my own business, and leave to the know it alls in here- what the heck would I know? I have only been driving GM cars since the 60's.....

 

Hasn't this been put to rest already? Camaro will still be aiming at the Mustang. Premium just means 'more'. We knew that was going to happen since the start.

That's not a fair accusation, and you should know that if you've been driving GM's since the sixties. It's called an unfair playing field, and a decade of mistakes. You watch, Company 'T' will get theirs, too.

 

Unfair playing field, or not building what the customer wants, and expects? The reliability of the 70's and 80's GM products, and other amercian car companies too, was crap- Honda and Toyota ate their lunch-

I know that they are building better cars now, but they still don't 'get it' Here is a forum of car enthusiats, dedicated to a car that has been out of production for 6 years? You couldn't make this stuff up, people wouldn't believe it-

How long ago did the retro mustang come out? Of course, Ford never stopped building the pony car, either- they listened to their customers. Let's see, the production Charger came out how quickly after the concept car showed? And here the GM loyalist get to keep sitting on their hands, debating on what the new Camaro will be when it finally becomes available, a day late and a dollar short in my book-

I have written Chevrolet many times, but they don't care- they are too big and too important to listen to me, or thousands of others like me- their attitude is that they know what is best, we should just buy what they offer us. I will vote with my pocketbook, and unless the new Camaro is a real performance deal, and I don't see that happening, it will probably die a quick death- Should have been out at least 2 years ago, when fuel was much cheaper and the general public was more excited about retro cars-

 

If all you were doing is expressing your opinion, you wouldn't have used language like that.

You've jumped to a conclusion. You're forming your opinions based on that conclusion, which you made up with approximately zero basis in fact.

Don't pass judgment before you have something to judge.

If you're concerned about what might happen, phrase it accordingly.

 

i think if i was to buy a 4 cylinder performance vehicle id go with a sky or solstice.

buy a camaro for the v8

 

Responses in Blue, above. I seriously think you should wait for this car to hit dealers. (It sounds like you plan to, unless I read things wrong; which is good) You're sure to be mighty impressed. Unless you're looking for Z06 performance at 30,000 dollars. Then you won't be impressed.

 

Why did you do that? It's just as easy to break the quote up using additional QUOTE tags, which makes it far easier to read.

I think you might have meant here.

 

Because it was easier for me to write. . I find 3/4 or more quote blocks a real b!tch to deal with...

Good catch, and thanks for that: I've been using that darn code for a couple of years now, totally forgot it's : shrug : on this site.

 

I will wait and see, and continue to root for GM- I hope they can do it, it will mean a great deal to the survival of the company, and the respect and recognition they achieve around the world-

I typically buy my car a couple years used- I am to cheap, according to my friends, though I like to think of it as efficient- I don't take the hit on new car depreciation, and get something that may still have a warranty, and is somewhat proven-

My LT1-powered Caprice lasted a quarter million miles, before the northeast rust got it, not driveteain problems- it had shorty headers, shift kit, Eaton posi and 4.10 gears, so you may know that I am a real enthusiast, with the grease under my fingernails to prove it-

Replace by an LS1 Camaro, '01 model in 2004- I took a hit in capacity and utility, but was seduced by the performance for the price. I love this car, and have rallyed it a bit- quite a performer- What will be available to me in a year or 2- basically, nothing from GM.... I can continue to wait, and see how the new Camaro 'plays in Peoria', and I probably will- want to be Ford will still be cranking out pony cars? I wonder if either, or both, will be making profits- again, I know what I would like to see, but have my doubts about where GM's leadership has wandered in the last couple of decades- sorry to be so blunt-

 

Trailblazer SS. The Utility of the Caprice with the performance of the Camaro.

 

Boy, I REALLY hope Lutz was just kidding about putting active fuel management in the Camaro. I mean I never liked it from the start, like when they put it in the Silverados. But those are working/normal driving vehicles. Putting it into a car that the customer is quite possibly going to race with is just a sin. The other person driving a Challenger srt8/GT500 will be at least a second ahead of you by the time the other 4 cylinders kick in.

However, I will have no issues with it being an option and staying as an option. As long as it's never a manditory function...

 

I don't think you fully grasp how AFM works (speed-wise), and what effect it has on racing if you believe that.....

It'll never be a stand-alone option...but perhaps separate engine/tranny combos?