A message from Scott.
11-30-2006 | 01:55 PM
#31
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From: Bay Area, CA
just like how people complain about liberal bias with media here, im sure theres a lot of bias with the info the troops recieve.i can kind of understand that though. i mean if i was on the front the last thing i would want to hear is the latest government scandal, or something else that would make me doubt my reason for being there and cause me to skip a beat when i need my head in the game the most.
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11-30-2006 | 02:23 PM
#32
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From: Wichita, Kansas
just like how people complain about liberal bias with media here, im sure theres a lot of bias with the info the troops recieve.i can kind of understand that though. i mean if i was on the front the last thing i would want to hear is the latest government scandal, or something else that would make me doubt my reason for being there and cause me to skip a beat when i need my head in the game the most.
Most everyone over there has access to the network news, CNN and Fox by way of the Armed Forces Network. The Stars & Stripes is the daily overseas military newspaper, and even though it may not sensationalize or run into the ground stories that paint the military or current administration in a bad light (as CNN and the "big three" networks often due) it is NOT an Orwellian propaganda rag that re-writes or covers up the news to manipulate those that serve.
To suggest that those in the military aren't capable of seeing through the B.S. and making up their own minds is insulting.
11-30-2006 | 03:01 PM
#33
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From: Bay Area, CA
typical. how the hell can you misconstrue my original post into calling the troops idiots? thats insulting, and typical spin id expect from some members on this board.its to be expected that the military would do as much as possible to boost morale, itd be insane not too. companies do it all the time. you have to admit though, more then half the american population in general is willing to let other people tell them what to believe instead of doing their own research. some of them must end up im the military.
12-02-2006 | 01:21 AM
#34
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Mods, CLOSE this thread.
1) Support our troops, no matter what you think of the war. Period.
2) Go debate politics somewhere else, all we care about here is Camaro.
3) Go debate the military somewhere else, all we care about here is Camaro.
1) Support our troops, no matter what you think of the war. Period.
2) Go debate politics somewhere else, all we care about here is Camaro.
3) Go debate the military somewhere else, all we care about here is Camaro.
12-02-2006 | 11:47 PM
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I would've hoped that folks on this board would be able to have a reasonable discussion about our military (regardless of opinions about the war) since our ability to obsess about a car is in direct relation to our men and women in uniform......guess not, tho.....
12-07-2006 | 10:35 PM
#41
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There's something I want to add to this and I think it applies regardless of how one feels about our current presence in Iraq. History has taught us that the way war is fought continually changes - from ranks of men marching into enemy fire in the 1770's, to the trenches of WW1, to the technology boom of WW2, to the guerrilla tactics of Vietnam, to the smart bombs of Desert Storm - it always changes. September 11th, 2001 was another paradigm shift - a massive, single stroke that changed what "war" means. Stop and think about that for a minute - in a single day we'd gone from troops massing at borders and invading territory as the image of war to planes full of civilians being flown into buildings as the image of war. Air Force One landed UNDER FULL MILITARY ESCORT in Washington on that day - that's a new image of war for this country. We're no longer dealing with a cut and dry invasion, we're dealing with people who subscribe to a whole different paradigm and a whole different morality.
And just to put history in another light, how many people died at Antietam? Or Gettysburg? Or the invasion of Normandy? It makes the current casualty figures in Iraq look extremely small. Losing a single American life in battle is unfortunate, but it happens - and it will always happen so long as we want to promote freedom. Sending a volunteer force of men and women into harm's way cannot be an easy decision and to imply that the focus of this nation's foreign policy for the last three years has reduced that decision to money is insulting to the people that WE ALL elected to lead us. The people who have made the decisions in Iraq are not perfect, but don't insult them by believing this to be simply about money.
One last note, any serviceman I've heard talk about Iraq (and there have been very few) all agree that they have made progress and drastically improved the quality of life for the Iraqi people. None of them regret their mission. So support the troops, but consider that if their mission were SO misguided, why would they of all people be pleased to have done it?
And just to put history in another light, how many people died at Antietam? Or Gettysburg? Or the invasion of Normandy? It makes the current casualty figures in Iraq look extremely small. Losing a single American life in battle is unfortunate, but it happens - and it will always happen so long as we want to promote freedom. Sending a volunteer force of men and women into harm's way cannot be an easy decision and to imply that the focus of this nation's foreign policy for the last three years has reduced that decision to money is insulting to the people that WE ALL elected to lead us. The people who have made the decisions in Iraq are not perfect, but don't insult them by believing this to be simply about money.
One last note, any serviceman I've heard talk about Iraq (and there have been very few) all agree that they have made progress and drastically improved the quality of life for the Iraqi people. None of them regret their mission. So support the troops, but consider that if their mission were SO misguided, why would they of all people be pleased to have done it?
To select others.....(such as a certain Senator from San Francisco....)
I would like to think I keep an open mind.
I posted something that I thought would allow everyone to thank those who have put their lives on the line.
I'm appalled by the number of Americans that have a problem thanking our troops.
Now I'm gonna get nasty.
If you don't believe that America is the best place in the world to live -- then allow me to buy you a one way ticket to whereever it is you want to move to.......and that means changing your citizenship.
Do I sound dictatorial? You betcha. Three generations of my family were killed/disabled for defending this country. They paid a huge price so we (that's you and me) could have this discourse on the internet. Yes, freedom of speech is important.......but let me tell you -- without the United States and Britain, I wonder where we'd be today had we not fought wars in the 1940s........and WON. Don't believe for one minute that Osama Bin Laden or for that matter, Saddam Hussein would allow you to voice your opinions.
Yes.......it's OK to have opinions....but DO NOT disrespect our men and women serving around the world...........................it, in my mind, shows your ignorance.
If the shoe fits, wear it.
*rant off* ---this in no way reflects the views of the company I work for.
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12-08-2006 | 08:57 AM
#42
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If you don't believe that America is the best place in the world to live -- then allow me to buy you a one way ticket to whereever it is you want to move to.......and that means changing your citizenship.
Do I sound dictatorial? You betcha. Three generations of my family were killed/disabled for defending this country. They paid a huge price so we (that's you and me) could have this discourse on the internet. Yes, freedom of speech is important.......but let me tell you -- without the United States and Britain, I wonder where we'd be today had we not fought wars in the 1940s........and WON. Don't believe for one minute that Osama Bin Laden or for that matter, Saddam Hussein would allow you to voice your opinions.
Do I sound dictatorial? You betcha. Three generations of my family were killed/disabled for defending this country. They paid a huge price so we (that's you and me) could have this discourse on the internet. Yes, freedom of speech is important.......but let me tell you -- without the United States and Britain, I wonder where we'd be today had we not fought wars in the 1940s........and WON. Don't believe for one minute that Osama Bin Laden or for that matter, Saddam Hussein would allow you to voice your opinions.
But today everyone wants US troops out ASAP. Why? If we learned anything from rebuilding Japan and Germany it's that US troops are liberators and ALWAYS LEAVE. We don't install a puppet government, we don't write their constitution for them, we don't dictate their lives - we help them rebuild what they have lost and then we go home. And that didn't just happen after WW2 - that was the approach Lincoln wanted to take to the South after the Civil War. That level of compassion is not the exception with this country, it is the rule.
That's why our servicemen and women are so extraordinary - they are prepared to give their lives every day, but they take the time to help people regardless. Talk to them and they are polite, helpful, courteous and modest. Listen to them describe their plans for their lives after their service and they are driven, motivated and hard working. As far as I'm concerned any organization that can turn out people like that is worth every bit of support it can get. God bless every one of them.
12-10-2006 | 12:20 PM
#43
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Great Post Scott, and what you did, God Bless you are truely a great American, as are ALL the troops! And some other great posts in here as well, I'm sure people in here know, which ones I agree with, and those I do not. My opinions on this, are all over the board, so no need to rehash. First let me say, a big thanks to all the troops, and God Bless you all as well. Second I want to refrain from getting ugly as it usually does in these type of threads. But people really do need a history lesson, to ensure we don't make the mistakes of the past, which IMHO we are doing. I must say that the media in this country, is doing US ALL a tremendous, I repeat A TREMEDOUS DISSERVICE! I have thanked vets verbally for their service. It is indeed a sad thing, that they always look at me like I have 3 heads, like its not something that happens often to them. And it should! Thanks again ALL guys & gals in the military, MOST of US support what your doing, and understand the importance of it. And the media does not speak for the majority of US IMO! And yes, every little bit helps. I logged on and sent one over too!
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12-21-2006 | 01:45 AM
#44
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From: Dallas
Retired military, or those currently serving....you are admired in my home. I was in San Antonio 3-4 months ago, and was standing in line with an old man wearing a cap that said, "US Army-Retired". I read his cap out loud, then told him "thank you sir for your service". We talked for a while, and all he had to say was how proud HE was of our troops. I've also volunteered to meet troops coming thru DFW airport on their way home. Loan them my cell phone so they can call family while waiting on a connecting flight....and just let them know they are America's best.
This thread is about the Camaro because Camaro owners are usually very patriotic, proud Americans. In the Dallas Camaro/Firebird club, we didn't have any hippies.
This thread is about the Camaro because Camaro owners are usually very patriotic, proud Americans. In the Dallas Camaro/Firebird club, we didn't have any hippies.
