every one that buy mustang GT's

 

I agree 100%

I would like to see 4 engine choices

V6 ~ 250
V8 (5.3 or 6.2 whichever would be cheaper to make) ~ 300-325
V8 (6.2) ~ 425
V8 (6.4 s/c) ~ 500

Having owned a 3rd gen TBI in the past I loved that car, it only had 170 hp but turned a lot of head and sounded great. Plus being a V8 it had much more torque which made it feel a lot faster than it actually was. I think Jason has something here.

 

The third gen I think is a good example. What was it? 60% of third gens were midlevel V8's? Mustang stays alive and thriving with the GT, while offering (in the recent past) Cobras, Mach 1's, Bullitts, ect. Thats a perfect look at what to do with the Camaro. There are so many names from Camaro past I have seen photoshoped on this concept (ZL1, Z28, SS, Yenko, ect) that this car can, and should compete with the mustang on the same level. The V6 and entry V8 (I think 335hp is the magic number) both carry the sales volume, beating the Mustang on each level, tit for tat. Then comes the candy for the enthusiasts. The Z28, fast, light, 285 rubber, I want it in cloth. The SS, sounds like its going to eat your children, rediculous power, creature comforts. The ZL1, carbon fiber specific nose and fenders, blower, front page news, stang is done! I want a ZL1 Camaro to exist (I wont be able to afford it) that makes the entire Mustang community say "OK, you win." for $1500 less than a GT500. Get in Americas face and reignite muscle car passion with THIS car. Mark me down for one Z28 please.

 

I don't forsee GM creating 2 tunes of an LS2 replacement engine for the next Camaro. I can forsee GM using 2 different displacement V8s though.

Judging by past history and cost savings that started by putting the same LT1 engine in everything from B bodies to Y bodies, and the LS1 being the same in both F & Y bodies, there simply isn't going to be 2 tunes of V8 in the future as well (save exhaust or computer tune).

That's probally as close to factual as anyone can probally go without black Suburbans pulling outside their place or being zapped by a martian.

 

I still say that every engine in the camaro should have AFM and 6 forward gears in the automatic and manual transmissions. I can see a 255-285 HP V6 getting 36MPG highway and scaring Honda/Toyota. There should be a base V8 with around 350-380hp with AFM that is able to get 32MPG highway. And the Top engine should be able to get 28MPG highway while making 425-450hp.

I don't care how much CID is used, but be more than what is available in the Mustang. A 4+L V6 would be awesome. The base V8 should not be smaller than the LS1, so 6.0-6.2L would be fine. If the Top level V8 needs to be a supercharged (or even better, turbocharged?) version of that engine, then so be it. It will finally put an end to the arguement of "What if GM put a blower on the LS1/2/6/7?" and I like that!

 

Very well put. That applies for the base V8 too. So what if some 20-40K turbo 4cly or V6 car beats it? It also cost alot more! And its liley not a car that would be crossed shopped.

 

Well, Suburbans be damned, there are afew thinks that you can take to the bank regarding the next Camaro.

-It will have more than one V8.
-It will have a 400-ish hp V8.
-It will have a 400+ V8.

What happens below these hp levels is still being debated. And how the 400+ gets it's power is still being debated. But the two top power levels may share displacement.

 

ok Z284ever, what is your take on how much it will cost to get into the 400HP car. I believe Lutz said somewhere around 30K for a V8 car. Is it your belief that we will be able to get 400HP for around the 30K mark?

 

Yes sir.

 

Thanks man, that's what I'm hoping for. I don't want to go too far north of 30K for my car. I told myself years ago I'd never buy another new Camaro, and I'd never pay 30K for one. I'm heeled enough to, just too old and cheap to do it. At least that's what I thought.
All that changed on January 9...................I've even started to feel a little younger at the thought of my 400HP Z28!

 

5.3L V8
6.2L V8
6.2L V8 Supercharged


I can live with that line-up.

 

I still think we will see something like this

4L v6 = around 300 horse (not so sure about this one
N/A 6.2 = 400 horse
Blown 6.2 = Whatever it needs to be to compete and beat a GT500

Now, before everyone rips my throat out about how we don't need a 300 horse v6, hear me out. A 300hp v6 in a 3600lb car will make it feel spirited, but isn't going to be scaring the hell out of anyone. Many of you guys seem to think of horsepower as an evil term to the public that scares off sales, but I doubt GM marketing feels the same way. If we got a 300hp v6 Camaro, I bet they would advertise something like "The new Camaro. Great styling, with available IRS rides smoother than closest competitor, and has more power than closest competitor." Besides, how many average people actually know what hp is, or care? All they know is the sensation they feel when they put the pedal down, and I hardly think a 300hp v6 in a heavy car is going to be scaring the life out of anyone, especially since many of the people buying these cars will likely never wind the motor out.

As far as a base v8 goes, I still don't see it happening. I can't see GM giving the car 4 engine choices. This isn't the 80s anymore. I, for one, wouldn't want to see a 325 hp v8 in this day and age anyhow. A 400hp v8 is going to be right around the same speed as a 4th gen LS1 car anyway, give the 5th gen's possible weight. I don't feel not having a base v8 is going to throw away that many sales anyway. I would bet almost everyone on here petitioning for a base v8 would still eventually opt for the entry trim level v8 available eventually anyway, so what purpose would this serve GM?

 

I could too, but I don't think the v6 police on here are going to like that very much.

 

+1

David

 

Everyone here crying over the theory of an available 5.3 as a base V8 option needs to get their heads out of their butt (with all due respect), and take a look at some facts...

1) A 300hp V6 IS STILL NOT A V8. V8 > V6, even at the same HP level, in the minds of consumers. The sound and the feel of a V8 is unparalleleled to many would-be Camaro buyers.

2) A nice, low stressed 5.3 with DoD literally could pull 32 MPG highway. I can see the ads now..."get your new Camaro with the available 5.3 V8, and get better highway MPG than Mustang's V6."

3) The performance level of an LT1 or LS1 GTO is IDEAL for a MID-LEVEL CAR. Did anyone notice this is where the Mustang GT falls at? Do you see Ford complaining about lack of sales, or consumers complaining about lack of performance? Charlie makes a key point that the VQ Nissan will be around 330hp in a couple years...well, its up to 298 now. I don't see Ford fans bitching the GT is at 300hp right now, despite that its a V8 making V6 HP, theoretically...therefore, I THINK the risk of consumer backlash against a V8 making "only" 325hp is weak...

4) If the 400hp Camaro V8 will be around $30k, as Charlie said, and its the "entry V8," Bye Bye sales!!!! When I can get a 300hp V8 Mustang for $25k, and I'm in my mid-late 20s, that's my sweet spot. $30k is serious $$$ for a car, and GM would be completely foolish to put a 400hp V8 car in a $25k price range, if it could even offer it at all.

If we do not have a base V8 priced right with the Mustang GT and performing in tandem with it, goodbye sales, and good luck Chevy...this is where you need to be. Don't play here, and you will cannibalize the sales, profits, and efficiencies we need to get the car profitable and the big engines bankrolled...

Think about that the next time you say "we don't need a base V8."