Originally Posted by Jason E

Everyone here crying over the theory of an available 5.3 as a base V8 option needs to get their heads out of their butt (with all due respect), and take a look at some facts...

1) A 300hp V6 IS STILL NOT A V8. V8 > V6, even at the same HP level, in the minds of consumers. The sound and the feel of a V8 is unparalleleled to many would-be Camaro buyers.

2) A nice, low stressed 5.3 with DoD literally could pull 32 MPG highway. I can see the ads now..."get your new Camaro with the available 5.3 V8, and get better highway MPG than Mustang's V6."

3) The performance level of an LT1 or LS1 GTO is IDEAL for a MID-LEVEL CAR. Did anyone notice this is where the Mustang GT falls at? Do you see Ford complaining about lack of sales, or consumers complaining about lack of performance? Charlie makes a key point that the VQ Nissan will be around 330hp in a couple years...well, its up to 298 now. I don't see Ford fans bitching the GT is at 300hp right now, despite that its a V8 making V6 HP, theoretically...therefore, I THINK the risk of consumer backlash against a V8 making "only" 325hp is weak...

4) If the 400hp Camaro V8 will be around $30k, as Charlie said, and its the "entry V8," Bye Bye sales!!!! When I can get a 300hp V8 Mustang for $25k, and I'm in my mid-late 20s, that's my sweet spot. $30k is serious $$$ for a car, and GM would be completely foolish to put a 400hp V8 car in a $25k price range, if it could even offer it at all.

If we do not have a base V8 priced right with the Mustang GT and performing in tandem with it, goodbye sales, and good luck Chevy...this is where you need to be. Don't play here, and you will cannibalize the sales, profits, and efficiencies we need to get the car profitable and the big engines bankrolled...

Think about that the next time you say "we don't need a base V8."

Originally Posted by Deustch

Well said Jason. I honestly don't think GM is stupid enough to price a new Camaro V8 at such an unreasonable price for this kind of car at $30k. Lutz even said himself(several occasions I believe) that this car would be priced competitvely w/ the new Stang. If you want more power, go aftermarket. Aftermarket too much? Put up or shut up. .A.S.A.T.

Originally Posted by 97z28/m6

every one that buy mustang GT's

Originally Posted by Jason E

4) If the 400hp Camaro V8 will be around $30k, as Charlie said, and its the "entry V8," Bye Bye sales!!!! When I can get a 300hp V8 Mustang for $25k, and I'm in my mid-late 20s, that's my sweet spot. $30k is serious $$$ for a car, and GM would be completely foolish to put a 400hp V8 car in a $25k price range, if it could even offer it at all.

Originally Posted by Jason E

I don't see Ford fans bitching the GT is at 300hp right now, despite that its a V8 making V6 HP,

Originally Posted by RussStang

I have. When was the last time you have ventured over to stangnet or corral.net? People have made threads about this very topic before. It may not be killing sales in the mainstream, but there have been people annoyed by this.

Annoyed people cannot dictate to a car company. They bought the car nad sound like a small minority. Their Mustang gained weight and hp and is faster then the last gen and mor power is coming. Sounds like a bunch of whiners


I am sure GM will price a mid-trim Camaro with the mid-trim Mustang. I just don't see a v8 stand alone option for the base car, minus all the handling and appearance stuff that goes along with the trim level.

Who said they want a V8 with some crappy, wallowing V6 suspension? Of course I want and expect decent handling, upgraded from the V6. 17-18 tires max though. This big wheel/tire craze is getting a little out of hand.

Nothing crazy though that loosens your fillings just to achieve some g number.
Third gen IROCs were way to stiffly sprung.

Like it has been brought up before, most people that buy cars like these aren't performance junkies; they just want a fun car. .

Originally Posted by RussStang

I have. When was the last time you have ventured over to stangnet or corral.net? People have made threads about this very topic before. It may not be killing sales in the mainstream, but there have been people annoyed by this.

Annoyed people cannot dictate to a car company. They bought the car nad sound like a small minority. Their Mustang gained weight and hp and is faster then the last gen and mor power is coming. Sounds like a bunch of whiners


I am sure GM will price a mid-trim Camaro with the mid-trim Mustang. I just don't see a v8 stand alone option for the base car, minus all the handling and appearance stuff that goes along with the trim level.

Who said they want a V8 with some crappy, wallowing V6 suspension? Of course I want and expect decent handling, upgraded from the V6. 17-18 tires max though. This big wheel/tire craze is getting a little out of hand.

Nothing crazy though that loosens your fillings just to achieve some g number.
Third gen IROCs were way to stiffly sprung.

Like it has been brought up before, most people that buy cars like these aren't performance junkies; they just want a fun car. .

Originally Posted by 305fan

Annoyed people cannot dictate to a car company. They bought the car nad sound like a small minority. Their Mustang gained weight and hp and is faster then the last gen and mor power is coming. Sounds like a bunch of whiners

Originally Posted by RussStang

Ok. I never once said that the people annoyed over on stangnet shoudl dictate the car company, so I don't understand what the point of your post is. Jason just stated he hasn't seen anyone annoyed at the GT's crappy v8, and I posted to the contrary.



I thought the whole point of base v8 was to be able to buy only the v8 if you want, without a more hardcore (and costly) suspension. If the base v8 came with its own suspension/brake/tires, what the hell is the point of calling it a base v8. It would be it's own trim level, and I definetly don't see a trim level existing between midtrim and v6.

Originally Posted by RussStang

I can see where you are coming from, and where everyone who agrees with you have been coming from, but I am still extremely hesistant to believe we will actually see a 325hp v8 in the 5th gen.