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Old 01-13-2006 | 01:17 AM
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LOL OMG! that is awesome.
Old 01-13-2006 | 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
As we all know the 290/290 rating was more or less an inside joke. The Boss 302 and 'Cuda AAR and Challenger T/A had IDENTICAL ratings.

There are no official dynos, but it is generally aknowledged that no 1st gen Z/28 left the factory with less than 350 hp. And as 91Z28350 pointed out, with the optional crossram, cam and headers, well over 400 hp was possible.

1fastdog bought one new. We had an interesting discussion about period shifting techniques this week in Detroit.

thanks for jumping in Charlie, you would know better than most

and that 340hp number, like i said, was an advertised number put out with all the in trunk options. i've gotten to ride in a 68 Z/28 that had said options installed. if that thing was making anywhere under 400hp, well slap me around and call me Susan .


and you have to share that 1fastdog story! i love hearing that kind of stuff .

edit: i missed that last post. that is insane!!!!

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Old 01-13-2006 | 01:19 AM
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There should be special edition V6's. Like the Y87 packages of past, only more. That might put some incentive for more people towards the V6.
Old 01-13-2006 | 01:22 AM
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Yeah, Ford has done a nice job of making the v6 customer feel like they are getting a special vehicle in their own right. I hope GM continues to do that with the new generation, the RS packages were a nice touch for someone who either could not afford or didn't want the v8.
Old 01-13-2006 | 01:45 AM
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Where was he shifting that car at Charlie? didn't they have a pretty high redline?
You gotta remember Ive heard some 327's had power Glides with only two gears.
Old 01-13-2006 | 01:47 AM
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You gotta remember Ive heard some 327's had power Glides with only two gears.

true, but we're talking about the 302 with a Muncie . totally different animal.
Old 01-13-2006 | 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 72 Z27
The I6 would be a bad choice overall. It doesn't get the gas mileage needed, our trailblazer averages about 17. The mpg needs to be at least 25. I would also hate to put 7 quarts of oil into a car every oil change.
The Trailblazer is also alot heavier than a Camaro would be. I would like to see the I6. Plenty of punch to the base car. Probably won't fit though.
Old 01-13-2006 | 02:14 AM
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I think the V6 Camaro should be roughly as quick as the V8 Mustang (kind of like how it was when GM put the 3800 in the 4th gen). And the V8 Camaros should rule the land!
Old 01-13-2006 | 02:22 AM
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Why?? Wasn't the Z/28 package the strongest back in the 60's >???
Well the really strange thing about this debate is if you stay true to what SS, Z28, and ZL1 is the differences are clear. The Z codes were just options.

The Z28 was the SCCA road racer package as mentioned before limited to the 302ci the same as its Mustang Boss 302ci counter part which is why they have the same Cubic Inch and the cross ram dual 4 bbl set up was king in my book. options are limited, the car is strictly buisness. Any new Z28 should abide to be a killer road racer within current SCCA rules so that may determine the size of the motor used there. Beefed up suspension. Front Disc, and some 4 wheel disc(yes in 69) Cowl induction from the back of the hood. Racing Stripes. That means no T-Tops no convertable and stiff suspension and as big an engine as SCCA will allow. You can even get specific if you want to Break out an 1LE badge.

1LE 88-02 became what the Z28 was in the 60's as the Z28 name had gotten wattered down over the years. Aluminum Drive shaft beefier suspension more powerful drive train. Vette brakes.

SS or Z27 were available in both small and Big blocks but with in reason. I really need to find my white book but I think this was about a Grand cheaper than the Z28. It had power windows, the big block obviously heavier making it handle not as good. Beefed up rear suspension. I believe it had cowl. Could be had in Open headlight, RS, or convertable, as a pace car colors or not with racing stripes. If any car gets Navigation, heated seats, leather, etc. it should be SS LS2 would be fine.

COPO, Yenko or ZL1 Option. This option doubled the price of the car. There were 69 COPO Central Office Production Office (GM) and 205 Yenkos (Don Yenko PA Chevy dealer and racer) Base X44 car with 427 small block. Supper car. No other car should get the $14k LS7 but this one by definition of what it is.

RS Simply means hideaway headlights NOT base model

So SCCA would determine whether Z28 or SS had the bigger engine and even then the Z28 should be alot lighter.

1LE if used would be the same setup with even more road race ready.

Z27 SS should get the LS2 and be loaded with options.

ZL-1 Performance Division Camaro should be the Super car.
Old 01-13-2006 | 02:26 AM
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RS would be an interior and exterior option package available on all trim levels, except the ZL-1 cars, if we are sticking to the original model ( I would love to see a big cube SS/RS for the 5th gen).
Old 01-13-2006 | 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 5thgen69camaro
Well the really strange thing about this debate is if you stay true to what SS, Z28, and ZL1 is the differences are clear. The Z codes were just options.

The Z28 was the SCCA road racer package as mentioned before limited to the 302ci the same as its Mustang Boss 302ci counter part which is why they have the same Cubic Inch and the cross ram dual 4 bbl set up was king in my book. options are limited, the car is strictly buisness. Any new Z28 should abide to be a killer road racer within current SCCA rules so that may determine the size of the motor used there. Beefed up suspension. Front Disc, and some 4 wheel disc(yes in 69) Cowl induction from the back of the hood. Racing Stripes. That means no T-Tops no convertable and stiff suspension and as big an engine as SCCA will allow. You can even get specific if you want to Break out an 1LE badge.

1LE 88-02 became what the Z28 was in the 60's as the Z28 name had gotten wattered down over the years. Aluminum Drive shaft beefier suspension more powerful drive train. Vette brakes.

SS or Z27 were available in both small and Big blocks but with in reason. I really need to find my white book but I think this was about a Grand cheaper than the Z28. It had power windows, the big block obviously heavier making it handle not as good. Beefed up rear suspension. I believe it had cowl. Could be had in Open headlight, RS, or convertable, as a pace car colors or not with racing stripes. If any car gets Navigation, heated seats, leather, etc. it should be SS LS2 would be fine.

COPO, Yenko or ZL1 Option. This option doubled the price of the car. There were 69 COPO Central Office Production Office (GM) and 205 Yenkos (Don Yenko PA Chevy dealer and racer) Base X44 car with 427 small block. Supper car. No other car should get the $14k LS7 but this one by definition of what it is.

RS Simply means hideaway headlights NOT base model

So SCCA would determine whether Z28 or SS had the bigger engine and even then the Z28 should be alot lighter.

1LE if used would be the same setup with even more road race ready.

Z27 SS should get the LS2 and be loaded with options.

ZL-1 Performance Division Camaro should be the Super car.

beat youu to it
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=55
Old 01-13-2006 | 02:30 AM
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A 3.9 or 3.6 as a base V6 making over 250hp would be great. Having a mid level V8 like a 340hp VVT AFM 5.3 would give people the ability to have economy and performance.
I think that RS should be an upgrade over teh base LS V6. RS gives you different wheels and appearance package, and an optional 5.3. SS gets 5.3 standard with 6.0 optional. Z28 gets 6.2 making 450hp.
Old 01-13-2006 | 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by turbo96z28
I saw your post but I was going for clairfication not bragging rights. I was trying to get across the Z codes what they meant and how the definition of that they were would dictate what the cars had to be. There is alot of arguement of what is "better", Z28 in my book, but Im trying to get across that if you stick to what they are supposed to be, it takes away some of the subjectiveness and forces what they become.
Old 01-13-2006 | 02:38 AM
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If we were going to stay true to the original roots, then the SS should have the bigger cube motor, and like you said be the boulevard bruiser, the Z/28 should have the lower displacement, higher revving motor and be stripped of all the superflous items (not including federally mandated safety items and basic amenities). But since I can't see GM creating an all new ultra revving small block, nor can I necessarily even see the business case, I fear that the slash crowd will have their way, and I will be sporting new ink
Old 01-13-2006 | 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 91Z28350
If we were going to stay true to the original roots, then the SS should have the bigger cube motor,
Not necessarily. It should be as big as SCCA will allow the way it was the first time. If thats less than 6 liter LS2 so be it. But if not...



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