My God... the most disturbing thing about this...
#16
Here's the current word on this:
Let's all take a deep breath (and hold it for a couple of weeks if you can), I don't think the sky is falling quite yet.
Wait until all the cards are played. In less than two weeks, [we] will learn a lot more.
#17
The Z/28 (as currently envisioned) didn't interest me any more than the GT500 (as currently produced) so that particular model issue isn't a big deal to me. However, what is a big deal is the potential that they might already be cutting into what they had planned to produce. That sucks. If true.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
#19
I wouldn't be one bit surprised, if this turns out to be true.
Although this Z/28 will not be what I had hoped it would be - it is virtually impossible for me to ignore a call to arms to defend it.
I'm on it.....
Although this Z/28 will not be what I had hoped it would be - it is virtually impossible for me to ignore a call to arms to defend it.
I'm on it.....
#20
Doubtful. Right now, the story ends with what I just posted above.
Speaking of Scott...
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=618892
Speaking of Scott...
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=618892
#22
Usually when someone says "wait until the cards are played" means to wait until all the information comes together. You don't bet on a hand that hasn't even been dealt. Other than that, sorry, but I don't know any more than the words I posted. Again, the story ends right here for now.
#24
Did it? As I recall one reason the Camaro was killed because of poor sales. Incidentally, the 4th generation was the only one where V6 production out numbered V8s.
That's not to say that a 5th gen V6 Camaro that performs (or exceeds) at levels once reserved for the base V8 couldn't be a winner. Its just that the general assumption that V6s need to outsell V8s has proven to be a bad sales model in the past.
That's not to say that a 5th gen V6 Camaro that performs (or exceeds) at levels once reserved for the base V8 couldn't be a winner. Its just that the general assumption that V6s need to outsell V8s has proven to be a bad sales model in the past.
Total Mustangs produced were 160,412 for 2005.
By Model: GT = 60,792 , V6 = 99,620
By Model: GT = 60,792 , V6 = 99,620
-Geoff
#25
The Z/28 (as currently envisioned) didn't interest me any more than the GT500 (as currently produced) so that particular model issue isn't a big deal to me. However, what is a big deal is the potential that they might already be cutting into what they had planned to produce. That sucks. If true.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Here are the mustang sales numbers for 2005 (first year I found on Google search).
Do you think the Mustang would be around if they only sold V8's? The non-V8 sales are carrying the Mustang. That is what they are trying to do with the Camaro too. I am just saying don't be offended when every Camaro made isn't targetted at the tire smoking 400 hp crowd.
-Geoff
Do you think the Mustang would be around if they only sold V8's? The non-V8 sales are carrying the Mustang. That is what they are trying to do with the Camaro too. I am just saying don't be offended when every Camaro made isn't targetted at the tire smoking 400 hp crowd.
-Geoff
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...&postcount=180
Last edited by TCMcQueen; 07-08-2008 at 11:04 PM.
#26
I'm more concerned about the whole Camaro program in general. If they don't hit their numbers, the car is history. I'm not ready to buy right now. My timeframe was 2011-2013.
I'm afraid if they cancel it, I'll never own one.
#27
"Pigly"? Is the car out yet and have the numbers shown some lack of prowess or value? Did I miss the roadtest reviews?
#28
Performance cars will always be around in one way or the other. We the consumers demand it. Somebody will make them....I just wish a Camaro could always be included.
Current Gas prices being what they are, of course the manufacturers are going to freak out at anything un-green. Apparently this untrue perception includes Camaro even at the highest ranks of GM.
What frustrates me is that the attitude taken by GM puts the Camaro on the chopping block like the same castaway it was treated as during the 90's. If it weren't for the lack of foresight and catering to the asinine demands of an immature market (trucks & SUVs as daily drivers)...GM wouldn't be in this mess.
I'm sure the internal perception was that it would take a perfect storm of Gas prices, economic woes, and political posturing to put GM in this sort of position.....
Guess what. That storm has arrived.
It seems we just have to wait it out. There are many potential solutions our particular Camaro problem, but the true issues run much deeper.
Current Gas prices being what they are, of course the manufacturers are going to freak out at anything un-green. Apparently this untrue perception includes Camaro even at the highest ranks of GM.
What frustrates me is that the attitude taken by GM puts the Camaro on the chopping block like the same castaway it was treated as during the 90's. If it weren't for the lack of foresight and catering to the asinine demands of an immature market (trucks & SUVs as daily drivers)...GM wouldn't be in this mess.
I'm sure the internal perception was that it would take a perfect storm of Gas prices, economic woes, and political posturing to put GM in this sort of position.....
Guess what. That storm has arrived.
It seems we just have to wait it out. There are many potential solutions our particular Camaro problem, but the true issues run much deeper.
#29
BS.. If someone really hates the Camaro and works for GM, he deserves to be taken out of the Company. I mean, this car is so highly anticipated and loved, I would really be upset if Camaro was taken off the assembly line in the First Year. I say "Keep the Faith" and hopefully the Fbodfather will have some info to keep us cool.