Ya man! A tiger! And a healthy one at that! Sort of like this....

 

LOL. this is funny!

 

Let's stay on topic, guys.

 

That's exactly correct. The fellow looking for an M3 will probably not be swayed by the 650i, fine car as it is. The X5 is another fine vehicle, the M3 guy can appreciate it, but again, it ain't no M3.


I want the Camaro to succeed. There's virtually no chance I'll buy one now. Perhaps you'll end up buying one, if you decide against the G8. Perhaps Guy will buy one if he decides againsy the ST. Maybe or even most probably, neither one of you will buy one. BD&F had damn well better buy one.

At any rate, I hope it sells well enough to sustain itself into the next gen. So maybe, I want it succeed for selfish reasons. Like you said, it's a free country.

I stand by every word I've written. Eventhough I want it to sell like crazy, I see no reason not to be honest about the car. I'm a Camaro enthusiast, I'm opinionated, and I put "CAMARO" on a pedestal, I want it to be the best it can be. I'd say that's a good thing.

I think it's too heavy, and you don't. And that's okay. That's the 'discussion' part of a discussion forum.

 

To get this back on topic, I don't believe the remarks made by the advertising agency really mean anything.
Don't these guys just sit around a table and throw ideas (no matter how ludicrous) at each other to get their creative juices flowing? Kinda like riffing on each other.

I thought they did that to completely learn about the product their trying to sell and their target demographic.

I'd like to know what other things were said in those advertising meetings.

 

The V8 370z thread, where you were waxing on about the Nissan FM, was a little much. The V8 FMs are just as heavy as Zeta (within 100 pounds), yet you went on about how much better the FM is than Zeta.

It appears to me that when you put "CAMARO" on a pedestal, it gets dropped the equivalent of a couple of letter grades. Which is fine. You can use whatever grading system you'd like.

It's heavier than I'd like, but if the Camaro's too heavy, then 98% of cars sold today are too heavy. And with modern regulatory and market requirements, it's going to be difficult to take much weight out of the next generation of vehicles. Dropping a couple of cylinders from the top models is likely the best way to do so.

But I can see with your grading system, how you'd conclude the Camaro is too heavy. I give it a 'C' on weight....

 

I did buy a '98, and I currently drive an '02. The '02 only has 24K miles on it (my brother has the '98, and it's got over 100K). Given the low mileage on the '02, it would be a couple of years before I got a new Camaro, unless I decide two is better than one (like I did when I bought the '02).

So is your newest Z/28 an '83?

 

Alittle much - for you.

Actually, I believe I said something to the effect that if GM had access to an architecture like the FM for the Camaro, they'd have an easier go of it, since the FM can be flexed smaller than Zeta. Zeta in turn can be flexed larger than the FM. I'd doubt that the FM could do a car as large as the Statesman for example. Of little concern when referring to a Camaro.

 

Yes, I type for myself.

But if you want the V8, you get the big, heavy FM.

BTW, your summary above is not a little much - for me. See, you can be more balanced if you want to

 

That's possible. It is also possible the agency has the customer profiles for the 350Z and other sports coupes sitting right there in front of them, and they're making an educated statement.

This is a fanboard and people get kind of tribal about their brand, but I bet that customers of these kinds of cars are more similar than different overall.

 

Speculation is what is cuasing oil prices, not demand! OR OPEC>>

Why must we continue to speculate about this?

 

Amen.

 

The Corvette is more expensive, and it still sold nearly as many cars.

 

What's your point, the corvette had a 16 year head start, no real hiatus in production like the Z and a much larger home market to sell in and still sold fewer cars? OK, i agree with that.

 

Nissan couldn't make money on the car, and Corvette kicked it's *** into the grave, along with the Supra and the RX-7... CONCURRENTLY.

GM's Best up and crushed all comers once. If the new Camaro is GM's best, and for some reason is viewed as a competitor to the Z car, it'll happen again.