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Old 06-13-2011 | 06:59 PM
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Re: NEWS: Camaro ZL1 will have automatic option, offer ZR1 traction system

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I never understood why people that didn't want the auto were so against people having the option. Sounds like manual owner snobbery on many of the Fbody boards. Ford would probably sell more GT500's if they were to offer the auto option, it's a bussiness and the bussiness is to make money. Chevy can steal some of the high end muscle car market by offering the auto option. I don't like green cars but I don't complain that Chevy shouldn't even offer green as an option. Having the auto option doesn't limit the manual guys in any way, I wonder if a lot of the manual crowd is upset that the avg guy in an auto will be able to take them at the strip and their ego can't take that.
I agree. I think some fear that the auto would become so popular, it could jeopardize the manual. Look at the CTS-V. There was an article posted around here somewhere that stated the first-gen CTS-V had such poor sales since most of the older people who could afford them didn't want a manual.
Old 06-13-2011 | 09:29 PM
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Great to hear about the auto option! This thing is going to be a beast! Now hopefully GM prices this thing just right.
Old 06-14-2011 | 09:54 AM
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I would say it will easily price 50,000-60,000 with the dealer mark up.

I like the auto option,put a good converter in it and smoke some stick shifts.
Old 06-14-2011 | 10:29 AM
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I wasn't thinking of getting one....but now...

Nah...
Old 06-14-2011 | 04:51 PM
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My guess is just under $55k fully loaded. Of course if you want to be one of the first to get one, you're going to more than likely be paying a "market adjustment"

If I could justify the expense, I'd go for a fully loaded auto in Victory Red... alas, I may have to settle for a used SS and customize it myself.
Old 06-15-2011 | 09:21 AM
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Re: NEWS: Camaro ZL1 will have automatic option, offer ZR1 traction system

Originally Posted by STOCK1SC
I never understood why people that didn't want the auto were so against people having the option. Sounds like manual owner snobbery on many of the Fbody boards. Ford would probably sell more GT500's if they were to offer the auto option, it's a bussiness and the bussiness is to make money. Chevy can steal some of the high end muscle car market by offering the auto option. I don't like green cars but I don't complain that Chevy shouldn't even offer green as an option. Having the auto option doesn't limit the manual guys in any way, I wonder if a lot of the manual crowd is upset that the avg guy in an auto will be able to take them at the strip and their ego can't take that.
I dunno, ask Chevy why the Z06 and ZR1 are manual-only vehicles.

In the end I know it'll mean a lot more sales, but there's something about a stick-only model that says look, the focus for this particular car is the driving experience. It isn't a 550+ HP car for people to sip their mocha lattes from behind the wheel.

Plus, the automatic that reliably handles the LSA is a huge, beastly piece of equipment which further balloons the car's curb weight (the auto CTS-V is 100 pounds heavier than the manual).

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Old 06-15-2011 | 10:22 AM
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I dunno, ask Chevy why the Z06 and ZR1 are manual-only vehicles.

In the end I know it'll mean a lot more sales, but there's something about a stick-only model that says look, the focus for this particular car is the driving experience. It isn't a 550+ HP car for people to sip their mocha lattes from behind the wheel.

Plus, the automatic that reliably handles the LSA is a huge, beastly piece of equipment which further balloons the car's curb weight (the auto CTS-V is 100 pounds heavier than the manual).
And it runs quicker to 60mph and head to head with the manual in the 1/4 mile. The days of auto's being slugs compared to manuals is over and it's basically snobbery now. Nissan GTR is auto only and it seems to perform pretty well. Why would you care if I buy an auto, it in no way prevents you from buying a manual but to tell others they shouldn't be able to have the option seems a bit elitist. I haven't owned an auto sports car since 1995 but I'm not going to tell others they shouldn't especially when the guy sipping the latte with the auto would smoke you off the line. Not everybody lives in the middle of nowhere with 100 mile stretches of open road, most of the population now lives in dense urban areas with traffic lights every 100 feet and working a manual gets tiresome after 30 minutes of sitting in rush hour traffic. Funny you mention the ZR1 and Z06, how are they selling?
Old 06-15-2011 | 11:53 AM
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In the end I know it'll mean a lot more sales, but there's something about a stick-only model that says look, the focus for this particular car is the driving experience. It isn't a 550+ HP car for people to sip their mocha lattes from behind the wheel.

Plus, the automatic that reliably handles the LSA is a huge, beastly piece of equipment which further balloons the car's curb weight (the auto CTS-V is 100 pounds heavier than the manual).
So what?

Here's why I want an automatic: I'm almost 46 years old with bad knees, I'm not getting any younger and my knees aren't getting any better; while I can certainly drive a stick (my '67 coupe has a 5-speed), I live in an area with hills and driving one on a daily basis can be a pain, especially in traffic; I won't be sipping any mocha lattes, I'd be using the paddle shifters and my hands would be completely occupied at all times; and finally, the automatic can shift faster than any human certainly can.

Sure, if I were purchasing such a car as a "track only" car, I'd take the manual stick; however how many ZL1 buyers will be purchasing theirs as a "track only" car? Less than 5%?
Old 06-15-2011 | 03:22 PM
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Ok, let's take a deep breath here guys. All I said was I am personally not crazy about it but I understand why they are doing it. They are doing it for all of the reasons you two mentioned.

JG makes a great point. ZL1 is not a dedicated track car. Perhaps Z28 will be (with no auto option?)

Originally Posted by STOCK1SC
Funny you mention the ZR1 and Z06, how are they selling?
Shoot, how is Corvette selling as a whole? ZR1 and Z06 have met every expectation for Chevrolet as far as I know. They're practically dedicated track cars. I probably had the (incorrect) expectation that that is how Chevy sees the ZL1 Camaro.
Old 06-15-2011 | 03:45 PM
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Well this removes the final barrier for me getting a Camaro. I want it all, performance and comfort, as this will be a daily driver. I can't afford this car as just a weekend driver so I want an auto (so the wife can drive it) and I want a convertible and I want a super charger. I also don't want the complication of AFR nor do I want the OnStar big brother system. If they will finally offer the OnStar delete option (or if the dealer will remove it at the time of delivery), this car will be Eutopia for me.

So as soon as the market adjustment price frenzy is over, I am in. No car is worth overpaying to be the first IMO.
Old 06-15-2011 | 04:25 PM
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Re: NEWS: Camaro ZL1 will have automatic option, offer ZR1 traction system

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Ok, let's take a deep breath here guys. All I said was I am personally not crazy about it but I understand why they are doing it. They are doing it for all of the reasons you two mentioned.

JG makes a great point. ZL1 is not a dedicated track car. Perhaps Z28 will be (with no auto option?)



Shoot, how is Corvette selling as a whole? ZR1 and Z06 have met every expectation for Chevrolet as far as I know. They're practically dedicated track cars. I probably had the (incorrect) expectation that that is how Chevy sees the ZL1 Camaro.
$120k supercar shouldn't need 0% financing for 60 months to sell.
Old 06-15-2011 | 04:35 PM
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$120k supercar shouldn't need 0% financing for 60 months to sell.
Only $2000 per month? Where do I sign!

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Old 06-15-2011 | 06:25 PM
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$120k supercar shouldn't need 0% financing for 60 months to sell.
Wow.

Nevermind the fact that the car is 7 years old now, ALL Vettes can be had with financing/discount deals, we're still in a recession, etc. I'm sure there are people lined up, 6 figures in hand if only it had a slushbox.

Cars like ZR1 are not supposed to be for everyone. If the price doesn't tell you that, the hardware does.
Old 06-15-2011 | 10:44 PM
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Re: NEWS: Camaro ZL1 will have automatic option, offer ZR1 traction system

Originally Posted by STOCK1SC
$120k supercar shouldn't need 0% financing for 60 months to sell.
I believe it is 1.9% at the moment, except for the Z06 Carbon which has no special deals unless a dealer has placed any on it.


Originally Posted by Z28Wilson

Cars like ZR1 are not supposed to be for everyone. If the price doesn't tell you that, the hardware does.
I agree with this. Maybe this is one reason why they offer the Corvette Grand Sport. You can have a similar look to the Z06/ZR1, but with the LS3 with an auto option for people who aren't wanting all the power for the price, but like the look.

Maybe the gearing in the Z06/ZR1 would not work well with an auto?
I wonder if the ZL1's gearing would be different than the others.
Old 06-15-2011 | 11:56 PM
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Re: NEWS: Camaro ZL1 will have automatic option, offer ZR1 traction system

Originally Posted by SweetZRag
Well this removes the final barrier for me getting a Camaro. I want it all, performance and comfort, as this will be a daily driver. I can't afford this car as just a weekend driver so I want an auto (so the wife can drive it) and I want a convertible and I want a super charger. I also don't want the complication of AFR nor do I want the OnStar big brother system. If they will finally offer the OnStar delete option (or if the dealer will remove it at the time of delivery), this car will be Eutopia for me.

So as soon as the market adjustment price frenzy is over, I am in. No car is worth overpaying to be the first IMO.
I would love to see this happen, but something tells me you won't be getting a ZL1



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