Jeeeez, some people are just so pessimistic...the Camaro has already failed???

The Mustang...yeah...it's going to FINALLY get a power boost...maybe in 3 years (still just rumors I'm sure because Ford can't figure out how to make an engine fast without a SC). Even if they can boost up the stang's power, they have a large gap to fill between the stang and the Camaro...and don't you think at that point the stang MSRP will go up too? Even if the 2010 Camaro is 3-5K over the 2010 stang (which I doubt it will be that much), it's still A LOT more car for the $$.

And gas prices effect everyone...not just Camaro's...and it's not like the Camaro will get 10mpg, it looks like the Camaro will get better MPG than the competitors.

 

Fixed that for you .



P.S. I doubt you'll have much to worry about.

 

So we already know what's going into the competitions 2010 iteration do we?

 

I bet it is quiet at their dinner table.

 

Agree 100% .

Was he wrong? Yes. Did he know better? Yes. Is it worthy of being FIRED over? No .

At this point, what's to be learned about the car, seeing some bare shell shots, that we don't already know?! Other than confirmation that the gas filler is on the WRONG SIDE OF THE CAR!!!!!

Times are getting tough enough around the Oshawa plants ... too bad this guy had to put a nail in his own coffin .

 

Image capture devices are NOT ALLOWED in GM facilities accept under strict circumstance.

Losing one's job is no small matter. If the person had 28 years with GM he should have been aware of what folks learn in their first 28 minutes on the job.

Sometimes you pay for your arrogance. Every company has their share of idiots. In a desperately competitive business this stuff can't be tolerated.

I know most folks online see zero harm in these sorts of situations. Whether they get it or not is irrevalent. Apparently this person didn't get it either... bet they get it now...

 

Well, ford can't just all of a sudden come out with a new car in a year. The mustang is getting a slight face lift and maybe some more power...it's not getting a total redesign. We already know what the Challenger is and YES, I would say your getting a lot more for your $$ with the Camaro.

now, so this thread hasn't been completely hi-jacked...too bad the electrician lost his job...but if he in fact did sign a confidentiality agreement, then it's his fault for being stupid. GM has to have zero tolerance on this to keep everyone from doing it. I'm sure he's union...he'll find work else ware.

 

I agree in this specific case. Nothing new was learned about the car due to these photos. So in this instance although rules were broken, no information was lost (which is the idea behind the rules).

Should be be punished? Yes. Should he be punished the same as someone who gave away vital super duper secret information? No. Two different violations of the same rule should not come with the same punishment.

 

Whether or not anything was revealed about the car isn't the issue. It's the fact that he took the pictures at all. There are stringent rules about doing that. Rules he knew full-well. Now what if they just slap him on the wrist, and somebody in the future does the same thing thinking he'll get the same wrist-slap and reveals something critical about a future product.

Why not? The rule has one punishment; termination. Otherwise there should be two separate rules...


I don't like that he was fired...but he knew the rules. It wasn't like there was some confusion in the matter. And if there was, he shouldn't have taken them if he didn't understand. Love the pictures But it was s stupid move on his part. He flushed 28 years down the toilet with his Camera.

 

I don’t know how his past employee evaluations are, but if he has been a good employee throughout his employment he should get a second chance. I think many of people has did something on a job that they has no business doing.

 

I disagree and here's why:

You don't shoot pictures where they are prohibited and this person did so. Was it a situation where one pic was shot and the son was showed picture, and the picture deleted? Apparently not.

Shooting pix where it's prohibited alone could be cause for termination, and it's a very easy rule to follow.

Shooting pix in a plant in progress of tooling, and the images FIND THEIR WAY INTO OTHER HANDS, in this case THE INTERNET. IOW, everyone. This is somehow very minor and no big deal?

This doesn't have the earmarks, IMO, of a mere single lapse in judgement situation. There are a number of screw-ups being carried out on this one. It's not one image, it's several images, it's several angles. The pix get into unauthorized hands... All of a restricted area.


I have no idea if this person was very arrogant, very stupid, or downright dishonest... perhaps none or all these possibilities.

I personally believe that if good, loyal, smart employees can lose their jobs as a result of the business climate? Then employees that can't hold up their end of the deal while being paid to do so need to explore their opportunities elsewhere. Maybe it's good that a job will remain for someone who deserves it a little bit more, on their ability to exhibit good judgement regarding the fundamentals.

This isn't even a close decision folks.

 

it is known that cameras are not allowed there...we even knew that after that pic of the white camaro first showed up without camo taken with a cell phone. I think he should have been fired for it. He knew the rules, and what the consequences would be. He probably signed a contract saying that he would not take pictures/release information, and if so then he broke that contract.
Just like the last focus group meeting. They could not have cameras, and signed a contract stating that they would not release information, and if they did there could be large consequences.

 

Cant disagree with you more. They should have fired him. Hes lucky they didnt take him to court for violating his non disclosure contract. Honestly, It was nice to know that the C pillar to A pillar was one stamping but not necessary at this point. From a Ford view on the other hand, they now have a heads up. It may even give them clues as to how they themselves can do the same thing, as well as several other tricks of the trade recently developed by GM. Theyve seen what the shell of their most direct competition will be and have an 8 month head start because of one picture. GMs already in enough trouble. This guy either had little regaurd or was totally ignorant about hurting GM. Either way I have no sympothy for him.

Set the precidence now. If an employee wont protect the company advantages especially when GM needs to make an economic come back, get rid of them.

 

I was thinking the exact same thing lol.

 

Trust is something that is earned, not given. If I entrust you with something (information say), and you betray that trust by telling others then the LEAST I'm going to do is fire you.

Where I work, if you violate the "trust" given to you, you will end up in federal prison. No, this isn't even close to the same types of things as pics of a car (it IS only a car after all people -- pics got out of it being built -- big whoopty doo), but it IS about trust. And no matter what he does, he can't be trusted again.

He got off light IMHO.

And he needs to beat the crap out of his kids.