why don't they compare base model to base model? or maybe premium model to premium model?

The V6 Camaro should tear up the turbo4 Hyundai.
The V8 Camaro SS will destroy the V6 Hyundai.

 

+1

 

I'm sure GM could have made your 3500 lb Camaro if they wanted to make it look like a minuscule rounded Tiburon, but lucky for the rest of us they didn't.

 

A Hyundai for high $30's.......No F---ing way!!!!!!

 

big deal

 

and at end of the day, Hyundai still has a higher resale value than a chevy.

 

and most definitely a FORD.

 

A camaro isn't supposed to be a big car...

 

If you wanted it under 3500lbs AND do what it can do?
...I imagine it'd get expensive...

 

Oh, but they did want to......

 

And its certainly not supposed to be a sport compact either.

 

Sport compact, like what? A Civic? Trust me, you won't even have the slightest concern there, because this Camaro is nowhere near that. In fact it seems pretty darned huge to me. Sitting in the IVER car at Indy, it felt like a tight cockpit perched on top of a massive car.


BTW, guess what one of the targets is for this Camaro? The Civic Si. On the other end is the 3 series and G37. All this according to the Camaro team.

 

I think on one hand, the I-4 turbo will have Hyundai doing GM's research for them. Seeing if the I-4 is accepted by the market.

However the Hyundai will be more accepted by the tuner crowd. Another thing to remember is that Hyundai is set up to make lower numbers and be profitable. So they are not looking to outsell the camaro, but they will take some sales. There are going to be buyers who wanted the opportunity to buy a RWD SR20DET powered Silvia, but couldn't.

But when you do factor in price, the 220 hp Turbo four is priced around the 300 hp LT and the 300+ hp V6 is priced closer to the 400 hp SS, not really a comparo IMHO.

If GM were to go for this crowd, I don't think the Camaro would be the way to go. I think a stripped down slightly smaller (and lighter) car on the same platform (or the next Kappa replacement) with a I-4 and RWD with a 5 speed (fiberglass or plastic body panels) and weighing under 3200 lbs would be good, simplify the car as much as possible and drop the price well under the 20k mark (say $15995 for a NA version) and you'd hit it square in the nose. Do the "scion" thing and offer a huge variety of add-ons, so the Tuner can get a lowered 19 inch wheeled big braked turbo version for $25,995, or a guy can get one and swap in a V8 and tub it.

An Aveo weighs under 2600 lbs. Now I understand switching to RWD adds weight, but I think a RWD small 2+2 can be made well under 3200 lbs if they took the econo-car approach and tuned the suspension more for sports. Huge brakes wouldn't be needed, a 5 speed and a NA 4cyl would be fine. A turbo option could be offered as well, like the cobalt SS.

 

Oh your so in the no MR. Almighty. Please tell us more.

 

Did you mean "know" when you said "no"?

I'd tell you more, but you're way too dense to communicate with.