If you are absolutely off the new Camaro < actually a very nice car > front up for the C5 Z06. Not that difficult to get under 3K pounds.

It is on the useless list when it comes to passengers or all around utility. I does have a nice wheelbase and can scoot if needed.

My punishment is a bit harsher than Settlemire's, when it comes to leaving the GM fold...

 

Wow this thread has more twists, turns and flip flops than a poorly run Presidential campaign. Sorry John.
I was going to add that per a close friend locally at Kia engineering, stated that the Genesis coupe and sedan are not as closely related platform wise as say the Zeta G8 and Camaro. Thus the agrument that Hyundai built a low weight coupe from heavier sedan roots capable of handling V8 power doesn't hold up. The coupe is different.

But since this has turned into a find a car for Chewbacca's wife... I've got nothing. Good luck Korry my only advice is get the lady something that keeps her quiet because trying to get a woman something to make them happy isn't possible.

 

I'm confused.

"I'd have to have a Z06." Even with a C6? A C6 Z51 and a C5 Z06 are extremely close in performance, with a slight edge going to the C5. One or two mods on the C6 and you have a clear advantage.

"The C5 Z06 still has the C6 Z06 covered" What? The C6Z is by far the better-performing car in ever regard.

"I'd really be behind the 8-ball with a 'normal' Corvette." Again, what? We're talking about a DD for your wife, aren't we? It's not like she's going racing (except maybe for fun), right?

 

Had an Altima for a rental last year. I couldn't imagine living with that POS for the life of a loan.

I don't know anything about it. If it is something along the lines of a two door IS we may have a winner.

I believe I've already mentioned (several times) that I'm going to do just that. I disagree with the utility statement. C5s have a surprising amount of room inside. Even the fixed roofs.

We know.

Because I'm absolutely in love with the LS7. Because I can't mod the car in Super Stock.

Wrong. Even after several years of development, the C6 Z06 still gets beat by the C5 when comparing driver apples to driver apples. I personally know of one racer who dumped his less than 1 year old C6 Z06 because he was getting beat by the older cars at every event. This guy is a national trophy winner in his previous C5 car.

Also, while not a primary concern for me, the C6 brakes are problematic for the track guys. Not only are the rotors vented in the wrong direction on one side of the car but the silly "padlet" system gets very expensive and just does not hold up even to that type of use.

Don't get me wrong, I covet that car like few others. But why pay more money for a more-expensive-to-maintain second place car? If / when the C6 demonstrates superiority over the C5 and it comes down in price, I will re-evaluate. Hopefully this will occur right around the time I get tired of the C5.

As I said in my response to your post, I suggested the Corvette to her but she doesn't want one for the same reason she doesn't want a Camaro.

 

I don't know what a Lexus hardtop vert has to do with the Saab. Oh well, I tried. I hope you find what you're looking for.

 

I thought you were talking about the convertible Lexus in that post. *shrug* I was simultaneously answering five posts and slipped.

In your original post yes I know you mentioned the Saab 'vert. My wife isn't looking for a convertible.

 

I think the moral equivalent would be to shorten and lighten Zeta such that there was only space and strength for the DI 3.6. Supposedly, there is a project in Oz to do something like that.

 

If true...then that formula could return slightly better than G8 GT performance...which is great, considering...

 

What are you puffin on chief. We're not talking about toyota or honda here. Hyundia has a terrible resale value. Compare a sonata limited to a malibu LTZ and the chevy has a better resale by at least 3 thousand.

 

At the end of the day that doesnt matter. Chevys are worth keeping, Ford is what you would want to get rid of

 

No offense, but you may wanna do some fact-checking, 5thGen.

According to AutomotiveLeaseGuide.com, Hyundai is on par with Chevrolet in resale value, so all those who used to talk about Hyundai not being a contender apparently haven't been paying attention since 2000. Hyundai sneaked up and stole a chunk of customers. Now it's up to the established players to step up and accept the challenge.

If you want to compare 2-door, 4-seater, RWD, V6, sports cars, at a price point around $25,000, you've got the Mustang, Camaro, Genesis. I'd include the 370Z and Challenger, but the 370Z doesn't have a backseat and the Challenger is a bit to big, IMO, for true comparison (but the American Muscle diehards might have something else to say about that. W/e.) To be honest, though the Genesis competes for sales with the Camaro and Mustang, it’s not really a pony car – it’s focus is too divided and doesn’t rely on nostalgia.

To get more specific, let's talk trim (I've heard enough people trying to compare Accords to Camaros and Camaro V-8s to Genesis V-6s.)
Mustang Coupe V6 Premium($21,479*, 210HP, {http://bp2.forddirect.fordvehicles.com/2009-Ford-Mustang#page=/Models/}, *Employee Pricing)
Camaro 1LT ($24,630, 304HP, {http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/pdf/2010+Camaro+Specifications.pdf}, pg. 5)
Genesis 3.8 (G~$25,500 based on Korean spec V6 at around $27,000 USD with options similar to our 3.8 GT. {http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/05/first-hyundai-genesis-coupe-commercial-hits-korea-pricing-revea/})

See, when you think of it practically it's a pretty compelling comparison. Power-wise it's only a battle of the Camaro vs. Genesis, and that'll only be settled with a test-drive. Aesthetics are a subjective matter, so while I may like the Genesis' sleek lines a bit more than the crisp folds and muscles of the Camaro, someone else could point out the Genesis' odd-looking tiny grille. That's up to the consumer.

All that said, I’ve been checking out the Genesis pretty deeply, since I expect to be in the market within the year. I hadn’t considered the Camaro, but now I am (hence my arrival to the forum *hi*). I was looking at used G35s and the Genesis. I'd totally forgotten the Camaro was coming out; I'm not really a fan of that whole retro-styling-thing the American companies have been doing recently - I'm 23, what do I care if the car looks a little like the 1970 model? I also figured it'd be priced way over the Genesis, so now that I've heard some more about it and checked out some more info, I'm surprised (in a good way) to see it's a competitor to the Genesis Coupe.

So, yea, to everyone saying the Genesis isn't even a contender, this just goes to show you that the competition is whoever the consumer says it is.

 

I dont think Camaro guys could live with the indignity of a Camaro that only had enough chassis to handle what a base V8 Mustang puts out in power.

 

worked for Mustang, the S-197 is pretty much its own deal, it shared very little with the Lincoln LS and while the GT500 is a porker, the GT and V6 are comparitively light.

Granted, the Mustang does not have an IRS, but the penalty for including one would not place the weight no where near the 3700 lbs of the V6 F5 - then there is the whole matter of the F5's near show car appearence, something the S-197 didn't have to labor under as well.

 

LMAO, did anybody catch the "How its Made" episode on zippers? They had guys in the zipper plant with no shoes or safety glasses, and had guys handling molten aluminum with little to protection as well.

 

I thought weight didnt matter?? all this talk about weight and to the buying public it doesnt matter blah blah blah. I am taking bets that the 6th gen Camaro will be a lighter car.