A novel thought.


This thread is old and the data is obsolete. Updated specs from Hyundai indicate that the car will weigh about 150 pounds more than the early specs that started this thread, making the V6 model base weight a bit more than the '10 Mustang GT base weight.

 

Not if you wanted the Camaro to be roughly the size of a Cobalt, as the Hyundai Genisis coupe is..... and not have a V8 available.

Even then, being that the cost of the chassis wouldn't be spread on anything else (the Camaro's chassis cost is spread out on 250+K VE and WM Zetas made in Australia, China, and Korea), it would be more expensive.


Plus, do you honestly think you can send over 420 lbs/ft of torque through the Hyundai Genesis coupe's drivetrain? Might be intresting to see how the Genesis coupe holds up with an LS3 bolted in and repeatedly doing dragstrip launches with nice grippy tires.

I know this concept is extremely hard to accept, but.......

1. There are no free rides... everything is a tradeoff....

2. If there was a way to link high powered RWD V8s, 4 passenger cars, IRS, 3500 pounds curb weights, and low cost manufacturing costs, then someone would have done it by now.... Camaro SS and Challenger SRT8 are (believe it or not) a couple of the the lightest 425 horsepower, rear wheel drive, independently rear suspended cars in the world that seat more than 2 people and cost less than $50,000.

3. It's in an automaker's best intrest to make (especially) a relatively low fuel economy car as light as possible in order to get the best fuel economy as possible.... but they also want to make sure you don't go and sue them when your car breaks because you did a burnout or shifted too aggressively.

 

You do realize that the V8 Genesis (I know it's 4 door, the coupe isn't available with the V8) is 4004 pounds right?

With the V8 and it's added torque you need a much bigger overall drivetrain, wider wheels, bigger breaks, stiffer body... It all adds up.

Don't tell me that the corvette only weighs 3200 pounds. These supercars are are small and they all have fiberglass bodies that cut weight by +/-500 pounds.

Besides, the genesis is ugly as *****, especially its rear end. It's like mix of a G6, Altima, Caymen and turned out a freakin monster.

 

I know I'm digging up an old thread, but I feel I have to speak my mind on this. I know GM execs have mishandled the company for years.. but I don't even know why we are talking about a Hyundai sport coupe, especially on a GM Performance forum. I will never, EVER, buy a vehicle from a foreign automaker. I will hold out and support businesses whos profits come back into the country. And as far as the Genesis' performance goes, I could care less, those things won't be coming anywhere close to my Camaro, I'll kick shredded asphalt on their hoods just like all the other similar imports. I hope to God nobody on this forum is considering buying one of these. This is not the only reason our economy is in trouble, but with everyone buying so many foreign products our country's infrastructure (specifically the ability to manufacture anything and export) is crumbling. I may not agree with everything the government does or with what US executives have done with this country, but it's still my country and I won't stand around and watch it crumble. Keep faith that our companies can get things turned around. Camaro 'til the day I die. USA til the day I die.

 

Funny that I passed a Hundai dealer today and noticed they had two of the models parked out front. One was red, the other a green. The green actually stood out more. I would not dismiss these cars. I see more and more Hyundai's on the road. I don't like it but, they offer a lot for the money. I would without a doubt buy a Camaro over this car. But, I have a connection to the Camaro. That said, younger people don't even know what a Camaro is. They'll be motivated by other factors. Price/value will get them behind the wheel.

 

AMEN. Well said

 

Edmunds compared the Hyundai to the Camaro, and the Camaro won.

 

well then -- I guess you're gonna love your Genesis, aren't you?

I know --sounds facetious, no?


Look -- I know how "passionate" you feel about the 3rd gen -- and I know you feel that the 4th gen was an 'embarrassment" -- your words, not mine.....

Reading thru your comments over the past two years, it appears that you will never be happy or satisfied with the 5th gen.......

..............and I guess we both have to accept that.

I will not make apologies.......because, you see, I sit back at many many auto shows -- where people do not know me -- and I hear the comments..........and I must tell you -- this car is getting an amazing amount of accolades ..........


..........and I also talk to enthusiasts world-wide -- and I know what most of them say -- and I tend to believe them.

I think you'd perhaps be happier with a Corvette? -- or a CTS-V -- or, yes, a Genesis.....

I learned many years ago that I/we cannot keep 100 percent of the people happy.............


I'm sorry you don't like the 5th gen - and the sad part is that you haven't even driven one yet..........


I DO hope you will -- and I truly hope you'll be pleasantly surprised.........because, you see -- there MAY be some people who tell John and Cheryl and me what we want to hear -- but I am smart enough to know that this community does not hold back -- they tell us EXACTLY what they want and think and desire...........


Please drive one or two of them before you make your final decision -- and before you "attempt" to influence people without even driving one??????

 

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Really?

How did I miss your smiling face at meetings where this would have been discussed?

 

Um, Scott, he posted that back in November...

But your posts are still very valid

And I think these posts about not buying any cars made outside the USA are kind of funny because the Camaro hasn't been built in the US since, what 1992? Yes it is built less than 100 miles from the US Border by an American owned company, but it still an import.

Plus, what are you going to do when none of the Domestic companies offer a vehicle that you really want to buy? My parents like the Mercedes Benz S-Class. Before they bought their current S550, they did shop around, but there weren't any cars offered by any domestic company that was comparable. If you want an inexpensive lightweight rear wheel drive sports coupe, right now your only option is the Genesis Coupe.

 

Incorrect, the Mustang is within roughly 100 lbs, it's rear wheel drive, it's a coupe, and it's in the same price range... and all the PROFIT from the sale of the vehicle comes back to the USA.

Also, I never said the Camaro was built here. But there are parts from the Camaro manufactured and also designed here. The R&D is done here. The profits come back here. None of which can really be said about the Genesis. And if there is ever going to be any hope of salvaging GM, our own people need to at least believe in them. PLUS, GM does a lot of sales overseas and all of the profit from each sale comes right back into the country. If GM fails here, the companies overseas assets will most likely be sold to a foreign company and this country will lose all of those profits as well.

 

This discussion seems pointless anyway, as few -if any- brainwashed ricers would ever be interested in the 5th Gen Camaro. Their Civics have more horsepower-per-liter, are race cars, and don't have "ancient-technology" pushrods.

 

Thanks for posting, Scott - It's hilarious the way some people think they know what is going on internally at GM. Wait - maybe he was hiding in a closet in the room where you hold meetings.

 

Sort of. I think most of the nationalism in car buying is based on a belief that the trade is unfair -- whether it be buying a car from a country that doesn't buy our cars or buying a car from a plant that doesn't employ union workers. Neither case can be made with Canada. For that matter, I think it's a pretty weak case with Germany too.

I've owned Japanese and German cars in the past, but now everything in my garage/driveway is GM. Three oldies and the '02 Camaro. But that's from vehicle preference, not nationalism.

If I were going to buy based on locality, I might get something built at the NUMMI plant in Fremont.