They only added twelve pounds to the 4th gens because even the hardtop coupes beneath the skin were set-up to receive t-tops. That's why its possible to convert a hardtop to t-top so easily. How much weight was required to be added to all coupes for t-tops is the question.

Let's say for sake of argument its only 20-lbs total weight. To add even that slight amount of weight to the top of the car is silly if you are concerned with how the vehicle handles. It certainly raises the level of the center of mass, albeit so slightly, but enough to say a non t-top version would handle better.

 

Fixed.

 

Trust me, an extra 20-lbs placed ~4-ft above the ground makes a world of difference.

 

I'm not arguing that.

I'm just saying you can't assume.

 

Sure I can. I'm an engineer. It's my job to make assumptions and speculate on whether it will work or not.

 

Yeah, but you're not on the chassis setup team for Camaro, are you?

If you are, then you can assume. But I know from firsthand experience that engineers aren't good at assuming what other engineers will do, especially when the latter set of engineers are working under the direction of non-engineers.

 

No. However my research for my thesis in Technical Writing my senior year in college was on chassis and suspension theory, design and fabrication.

Wrong. We're talking basic laws of physics here. The center of mass of the vehicle is based upon where the weight is on the vehicle and the relationship to zero, or in this case the ground (track) level. Placing additional weight above the center of mass raises it (the vehicle's mass) higher in the plane. This creates instability in the vehicle, both from a handling and traction standpoint. (i.e. it will hurt 1/4 mile performance as well.) It’s why vehicles like SUVs are less stabile, and why people place additional weight above the rear wheels to improve traction.

While we're not talking about a substancial amount of weight here; however there is a measureable difference.

 

No, see, I'm not arguing about the physics. You're right about the physics.

I'm saying that you can't assume that because you don't know what else they would change about the car at the same time. For instance, maybe they'd add weight somewhere else. Who knows? Maybe bigger brake rotors, which add unsprung rotating mass. You're an engineer, so I'll assume you know how bad that can be for handling.

 

Nerd Fight!!!!!!!!

Lol!!!

 

Sorry I didn't read all of the pages but I'm thinking they are adding B-pillars so they can add T-tops.

 

Might want to read the thread, Grippy.

 

nope.. they are adding B-pillars to lose weight. Period. They understand that weight is the enemy in all aspects and they wouldn't have choosen to do this unless they could do it without dramatically changing the exterior. So, i am not worried.

 

Sorry, I do remember the part where you said Im not guessing. I fixed it.

I dont understand your logic sometimes. You tell Scott that youll continue to raise hell about Camaro being a possible pig but when other people complain we re whining...

CLK 350 there are probably others...



LOL!

 

Its not unsprung....it can be transferred to the rear wheels....what's the problem?

I don't think I told Scott that (though I suppose one could imply as much), and I wasn't 'whining' about the car....but rather commenting (whining) about others whining (commenting) about some of us commenting (whining) about the car....or something to that effect.

But if you want to call me a whiner too, I'm ok with it.

Just don't call me a kool-aid drinking cheerleader, and we're cool.

Bob

PS....I'd still pay the weight penalty for T-tops, and don't give a damn about B-pillars, but I'm also quite aware that I'm not getting T-tops. Just in case anybody is confused.

 

Like I said. Enjoy your 4 power window mustang...they are kinda cute, get a matching polo and tennis racquet while you're at it.

An extra set of roll down windows is not going to be a deal breaker for me. Apparently it is for you. In fact, I DARE YOU to buy that mustang and refrain from ever buying a camaro.