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Old 04-08-2008 | 04:40 PM
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I have a feeling that this is Z/28 testing and that Brembo's will be part of that formula.
I'd love if that were true... but where's the NASCAR inspired rear wing?
Old 04-08-2008 | 04:41 PM
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and I'm actually starting to like the non-production headlights
You know, I actually said the same thing after looking at these pictures. I don't know what changed...but they actually look pretty good on that particular car. I'm sure it's just because it's all black, but still.
Old 04-08-2008 | 04:51 PM
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I'd love if that were true... but where's the NASCAR inspired rear wing?
IN NASCAR where is needs to stay!

Chevy decided to bring their low drag aero package Camaro to the Ring for some testing. They picked up a few mph on the straights!
Old 04-08-2008 | 06:13 PM
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Man! I wish I still lived in Mannheim. It would be time for a trip to the ring with the camera.
Old 04-08-2008 | 07:04 PM
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In all honesty the presence of Brembos does not necessarily mean they'll ever see production. Its probably nothing more than the engineers wanting excellent stopping power because they are going to be performing extensive testing at the Ring.

Please note Brembo bought one of the OE suppliers to the big three and are now working to provide many more systems than we have ever seen before. They are now even supplying Harly Davidson.

Brembo's are going to be expected on most Detroit performance cars as they are no longer just for Ferrari's anymore.

GM would not be putting red calipers on the car with the name on them unless they wanted you to see them.

GM would not bolt Brembo's on a Cobalt SS and not give them to the Camaro SS.

Brembo will be on all the other GM performance lines in the future like the GXP and V series so should we expect less for the SS.

If anything the Z/28 will get bigger brakes I suspect.

Bottom line these or Brembo supplied brakes much like these will be supplied to the SS. We should expect nothing less. Why would you test a car suspension with brakes you do not plan to use. Unsprung weight is the hardest part to tame in suspension tuning.

Brakes are unspring weight and brakes this big are a major factor in tuning the shocks and struts. You need to run what you plan to sell to get it right.
Old 04-08-2008 | 07:15 PM
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Brembo Noth America took control of Hayes Lemmerz Brakes last fall. Haye has been on of the biggest OE suppiers for years.

Brembo SPA the parent company also took over AP brakes last year in England too.

Here is the press release from Brembo.

NORTHVILLE, Mich., Nov. 9 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Hayes Lemmerz International, Inc. and Brembo S.p.A. (Italian Stock Exchange: BRE) today announced the sale of Hayes Lemmerz' Automotive Brake Components division to Brembo North America, Inc.

Hayes Lemmerz' Automotive Brake Components division includes production facilities in Homer, Michigan and Apodaca, Mexico that manufacture brake rotors and drums for the North American passenger car and light truck markets. The division employs approximately 250 people, including 64 technical associates. The division's 2006 sales were approximately $ 120 million.

Under the agreement announced today, Brembo North America, Inc., a subsidiary of Brembo S.p.A., has acquired all of the stock of two Hayes Lemmerz subsidiary companies that own the brake manufacturing operations in Homer and Apodaca and certain assets used in connection with the division's sales, marketing and engineering group located in Hayes Lemmerz' headquarters in Northville, Michigan.

The amount of the transaction is approximately $ 58 million, debt-free.

"We have built a strong business with a solid reputation for quality products, delivery and performance," said Daniel Sandberg, President of Hayes Lemmerz' Automotive Components Group. "Combining this business with an international, technically dynamic brake company like Brembo will better position the combined company to grow and compete in the global market. Our brake teams in Homer, Apodaca and Northville look forward to leveraging our shared commitment to superior customer service, product innovation and technology."

"I am very pleased with the acquisition of this well-managed and successful business," commented Brembo Chairman, Alberto Bombassei.

"This is another important step for Brembo in the NAFTA region, where we already have a strong presence with 2006 sales of approximately $ 140 million. Our purchase of Hayes Lemmerz' rotor business will greatly improve Brembo's leadership position in the North American brake rotor market. We continue to believe that North America, as a mature and sophisticated market, is one of the most important in the world which fits well with Brembo's strategic position. This transaction will provide Brembo with a solid manufacturing base to supply all the North American operations of all of our customers," Mr. Bombassei said.

Hayes Lemmerz International, Inc. is a leading global supplier of automotive and commercial highway wheels and powertrain components. The company has 24 facilities and over 7,000 employees worldwide.

Brembo S.p.A. is the world leader and the acknowledged innovator worldwide of disc braking system technology for vehicles. It supplies high performance braking systems to the most prestigious manufacturers of cars, commercial vehicles and motorbikes around the world. Brembo is also a leader in the racing sector and has won more than 200 championships. The company currently operates in 12 countries, with 23 production and business sites and a pool of over 4,700 associates, 9% of whom are engineers and product specialists working in R&D and technical areas. Brembo is the owner of the Brembo, AP Racing and Marchesini brands. Brembo's 2006 sales in the NAFTA area were approximately $140 million (11.9% of total sales). The company operates in this region with a manufacturing plant in Puebla, Mexico, and business sites in Costa Mesa, CA and Charlotte, NC.
Old 04-08-2008 | 07:35 PM
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Man Nurenburg is only like an hour and a half away from me. I wonder if I could get in and look at my future car if I drove over there.
They dont allow in car cameras on the ring anymore, so I guess its a possiblity.

http://www.nurburgring.com/

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Old 04-09-2008 | 12:10 AM
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Brembo Noth America took control of Hayes Lemmerz Brakes last fall. Haye has been on of the biggest OE suppiers for years.
Interesting news. I knew Hayes very well. I worked at Bendix/Honeywell for a time in MI they ran a good ship but more OE than us.
This news makes me think that while the name many say Brembo they won't be nearly the same standard Brembos used on Ferrari and that we have grown to know over the years.
Old 04-09-2008 | 05:06 AM
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Wonder how long they'll be in town for testing. I live 50 mins away and if the weather is nice I'll make my way up there Sat.
Old 04-09-2008 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 99SilverSS
Interesting news. I knew Hayes very well. I worked at Bendix/Honeywell for a time in MI they ran a good ship but more OE than us.
This news makes me think that while the name many say Brembo they won't be nearly the same standard Brembos used on Ferrari and that we have grown to know over the years.
It will be a wider range of products.

More comercial vehicles and in the performance area a wider range od products You will get better brakes on the Camaro but they will never be the same as the ZR-1 brakes.

The Bottom line cheaper cars as GM will now stop better as they will at Ford and Chrysler. The over all performance lines will improve over what we have had.
Old 04-09-2008 | 09:28 AM
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And publicly display that their brake package isn't up to the task?

Somehow I doubt that.

No, It seems much more likely that they are being shaken down for an upcoming model / option.

Besides, if they wanted bigger / better brakes for safety reasons during 'ring testing, they need only raid their own corporate parts bin.
I agree.

What we're seeing here are elements of a high end model. Most probably for the Z/28.

I wonder what color those calipers will be after a week or two at the 'ring.

You can always tell who road races their CTS-V. Their silver Brembo calipers turn kind of a goldish color from the heat.
Old 04-09-2008 | 09:38 AM
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Sort of a brownish red..

Originally Posted by Z284ever
I agree.

What we're seeing here are elements of a high end model. Most probably for the Z/28.

I wonder what color those calipers will be after a week or two at the 'ring.

You can always tell who road races their CTS-V. Their silver Brembo calipers turn kind of a goldish color from the heat.
Old 04-09-2008 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano
So could this be the first seriously excellent handling Camaro out of the showroom? I've owned so many F-Bodies and was kinda shocked when I out-handled Iroc-Zs in my 95 Cadillac ETC...
What are you smoking?

Originally Posted by JChan611
350z\'s track level brakes are brembos though no? So that might be what we\'re seeing here.
That's a ridiculous leap to make. One completely unrelated car from a completely separate company has Brembo brakes on its highest model, so maybe Camaro will to?

Originally Posted by hyperv6
GM would not bolt Brembo's on a Cobalt SS and not give them to the Camaro SS.
Sure they would, as long as whatever they put on Camaro is at least as good. It doesn't matter if it's Brembo, as long as the car stops like it ought to, and lives up to its name. I doubt that there is a single person in this world that would not buy a Camaro solely because the Cobalt's brakes were sourced from Brembo, but the Camaro's brakes were not.
Old 04-09-2008 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperv6
Please note Brembo bought one of the OE suppliers to the big three and are now working to provide many more systems than we have ever seen before. They are now even supplying Harly Davidson.

Brembo's are going to be expected on most Detroit performance cars as they are no longer just for Ferrari's anymore.

GM would not be putting red calipers on the car with the name on them unless they wanted you to see them.

GM would not bolt Brembo's on a Cobalt SS and not give them to the Camaro SS.

Brembo will be on all the other GM performance lines in the future like the GXP and V series so should we expect less for the SS.

If anything the Z/28 will get bigger brakes I suspect.

Bottom line these or Brembo supplied brakes much like these will be supplied to the SS. We should expect nothing less. Why would you test a car suspension with brakes you do not plan to use. Unsprung weight is the hardest part to tame in suspension tuning.

Brakes are unspring weight and brakes this big are a major factor in tuning the shocks and struts. You need to run what you plan to sell to get it right.
Hey that's great news! I was just being cautious... you know how folks get all worked up around here about things like headlamps and interiors.

Based on the timing, this car is more likely the "SS" version and not the "Z/28". I agree, the ones on the Z/28 will probably be bigger, which then begs the question... perhaps the "SS" will be more than enough for most of us.
Old 04-09-2008 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperv6
It will be a wider range of products.

More comercial vehicles and in the performance area a wider range od products You will get better brakes on the Camaro but they will never be the same as the ZR-1 brakes.

The Bottom line cheaper cars as GM will now stop better as they will at Ford and Chrysler. The over all performance lines will improve over what we have had.
I don't care what the name says on the caliper as long as the warping rotor issues that plagued the 4th Gen are history then they could put Mickey Mouse ears on them and I'd be happy.


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