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Old 04-02-2008 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
ACTUALLY the last production date for the F-Body was August 27th 2002and the Cobra production started in MAY 2002. So yes there was competition, but GM tucked tail and ran after getting trampled by the Mustang Cobra (and its herd of horses under the hood ) and of course, the volume of sales the Mustang was providing for Ford


im wondering why your posting on this forum. Mustang, has its own forums, go there if you love them so much.

Everyone here knows the only way ford could ever produce the HP out of the 4.6 from the factory was to put forced induction on it.

i tire of this debate. seriously.
Old 04-02-2008 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple 92 SS
.....i tire of this debate. seriously.
then dont contribute to it,thanks its completely voluntary.

Somebody tried to imply that the Cobra was only made after the F-Body was gone, which wasnt the case at all.
Old 04-02-2008 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
then dont contribute to it,thanks its completely voluntary.

Somebody tried to imply that the Cobra was only made after the F-Body was gone, which wasnt the case at all.
Obviously the Cobra was already in the plans for Ford before the Camaro's prodution was up...however, the decision to terminate the Camaro came WELL before they could do an official test against the 2002 Camaro SS...so it's actually inaccurate to say GM ran away with it's tail tucked between it's legs because the Camaro got "trampled" by the Cobra and "the herd of horses" under its hood. Soo...competition got the Cobra in motion...true, but I'm afraid that the guillotine had already fallen on the Camaro when the Cobra began it's production...

Sorry if I missed the joke...if that's what you were trying to do..
Old 04-02-2008 | 11:30 PM
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If GM would have kept the camaro running you better believe a limited production run of LS6 powered camaros would have been released. That would have made the cobra look a lot less impressive. Then the LS2 would have come around and added insult to injury.
Old 04-02-2008 | 11:52 PM
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haha...good call! That reminded me about something I was at sears picking up some oil the other day...and the guy saw my Camaro...and started to tell me this story about a woman who brought her Camaro in. He said that she had a 2002 Camaro and that when they were working on it they realized it was on of the limited edition '02 Camaros with the LS2 in it! They were so excited that they told her and she exclaimed that she needed to update her insurrance company so she wouldn't be charged with fraud in case they found out...

...i just smiled and nodded...I didn't have the heart to tell him that the LS2 didn't make its debut until 2005 in the C6...I did however laugh when I got outside...
Old 04-03-2008 | 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Black5thgen
If GM would have kept the camaro running you better believe a limited production run of LS6 powered camaros would have been released. That would have made the cobra look a lot less impressive. Then the LS2 would have come around and added insult to injury.
Ford would have probably countered with a 5.4 S/C motor. It fits (well barely) in the SN-95. Either company had/has plenty of hardware to keep the HP pissing match going. The GT500 mill is essentially a Ford GT engine, so it could be bumped to 550hp with probably a coupla cams, ect, ect and so on. Just depends on who wants the bragging rights.
Old 04-03-2008 | 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Black5thgen
If GM would have kept the camaro running you better believe a limited production run of LS6 powered camaros would have been released. That would have made the cobra look a lot less impressive. Then the LS2 would have come around and added insult to injury.

Ever heard of :
Dick Harrell Super Camaros.

Produced by GMMG in limited numbers.

But seriously. Nice dodge on the rest of my statements.
Old 04-03-2008 | 06:05 AM
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Have your fun while it lasts F*rd guys! When the top 5th Gens come out it's most likely gonna be more of the same all over again for you guys: a better performing car all-around, and redemption for Chevy guys! I highly doubt todays GM will let themselves be beat in ANY regard with it's competition unless we all get messed up over the gas prices and that MPG requirement nonsense.

You cannot "beat" a car that's no longer scheduled for production by coming out with a new model a few months away from it's discontinuation after being destroyed by it for years and years, LOL.

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Old 04-03-2008 | 06:48 AM
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Have your fun while it lasts F*rd guys! When the top 5th Gens come out it's most likely gonna be more of the same all over again for you guys: a better performing car all-around, and redemption for Chevy guys! I highly doubt todays GM will let themselves be beat in ANY regard with it's competition unless we all get messed up over the gas prices and that MPG requirement nonsense.

You cannot "beat" a car that's no longer scheduled for production by coming out with a new model a few months away from it's discontinuation after being destroyed by it for years and years, LOL.
True, it's like Ford letting the horse out of the barn AFTER it's burned to the ground. The Camaro was on the chopping block from about 1996 wasn't it? The release of the Cobra was just nothing more than a slap in the face of GM and a parting shot. It was announced to the public that the Camaro and Firebird were going to be discontinued around 2000. So it wasn't like GM just gave up because the Cobra came out. Please.
Old 04-03-2008 | 11:46 AM
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Have your fun while it lasts F*rd guys! When the top 5th Gens come out it's most likely gonna be more of the same all over again .....
This is the first time I've heard of anybody taking pride in hoping for history repeating itself when it comes to the camaro
Old 04-03-2008 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple 92 SS
im wondering why your posting on this forum. Mustang, has its own forums, go there if you love them so much.

Everyone here knows the only way ford could ever produce the HP out of the 4.6 from the factory was to put forced induction on it.
x2.

.....and speaking of the 4.6 and forced induction, how does one go about making 454rwhp and running high 12s in the quarter anyway? I'm sure there's many folks around here with lightly modified F-bodies who'd love to hand you your supercharged @$$ at the track. I'm thinking either your car weighs 6000lbs or it doesn't really make the power you're saying it does. Sounds like a Mustang to me.
Old 04-03-2008 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
Somebody tried to imply that the Cobra was only made after the F-Body was gone, which wasnt the case at all.
If you're referring to me then you need to take a reading comprehension class. All I said was it is easy to be the top dog when there is no competition. I never said they didn't exist at any point in time side-by-side.

Incidentally, my son used to own a supercharged 4.6L Mustang GT and my bone stock 95 Z28 would walk on it. Mustangs are nice toys... but I've always been a Camaro guy.
Old 04-03-2008 | 12:06 PM
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...and speaking of the 4.6 and forced induction, how does one go about making 454rwhp and running high 12s in the quarter anyway?....
How do they go about it? By making it a 3920 lb pig.

There's a lesson in that line above. Wonder if it will be learned.
Old 04-03-2008 | 12:18 PM
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How do they go about it? By making it a 3920 lb pig.

There's a lesson in that line above. Wonder if it will be learned.
Oh yeah, I'm with you on that one brother.

Hell, old 5.0L Mustangs with like 300rwhp would run the same times at the track as certain folks in here making 454rwhp.....how ironic since the old ones are like 1/2 ton lighter too.
Old 04-03-2008 | 12:32 PM
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Oh yeah, I'm with you on that one brother.

Hell, old 5.0L Mustangs with like 300rwhp would run the same times at the track as certain folks in here making 454rwhp.....how ironic since the old ones are like 1/2 ton lighter too.
My old 93 5.0 ~310 rwhp use to get better times as well. But it didnt trap 117+ mph. With only 1 full run ever at the track with this car, and a butchered one at that, trust me, the Cobra makes the power.



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