I hope the new truck I'm looking at has OnStar

 

Thanks Fbodfather for being a voice of reason in the vast conspiracy land of black helicopters, Mulder and Sculley, and of course the black Suburbans!

 

Sorry Fbodfather, looks like one of my statements got put into your quote above. Dang this newfangled technology!!!!!!!

Anyway, please don't send the Suburbans!

Will

 

Thanks for chiming in here Scott

Hypothetically, would a new Camaro come standard with On-Star?

 

Okay, I'll take my new Camaro with Onstar, Flexfuel capable, and made here in the states, please! Sounds like the perfect combination.

 

I believe the speed limit in Montana is 75 now?? The speed limits were brought back because auto clubs from across the country were meeting in Montana to have their fun; obviously not the intended result when the speed limits were removed.

 

well if we started tagging everyone at birth, then kidnaping would almost become a non-issue, but that doesnt mean it's the right thing to do.

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"
-Ben Franklin

 

Nice quote Agreed.

 

"Met a girl called Lola and I took her back to my place
feelin' guilty, feelin' scared, hidden cameras everywhere
Stop! hold on. stay in control

Girl, I want, you here with me
but i'm really not as cool as i'd like to be
'cause there's a red, under my bed
and there's a little yellow man in my head
and there's a true, blue, inside of me
that keeps stoppin' me, touchin' ya, watchin' ya, lovin' ya

Paranoia, need destroyer. Paranoia, they destroy ya'

Well I fell asleep, then I woke feelin' kinda' queer
Lola looked at me and said ooh you look so weird
she said man, there's really something wrong with you
one day you're gonna' self-destruct
you're up, get down, i'll come work you out
you get a good thing goin' then you blow yourself out

Silly boy ya' self-destroyer. Silly boy ya' self-destroyer

Silly boy you got so much to live for
so much to aim for, so much to try for
you blow it all with, paranoia
you're so insecure you, self-destroyer

(and it goes like this, here it goes) paranoia, they destroy ya
(here it goes again) paranoia, they destroy ya

Dr. Dr. help her please I know you'll understand
there's a time device inside of me i'm a self-destructin' man
there's a red, under my bed
and there's a little green man in my head
and said you're not goin' crazy, you're just a bit sad
'cause there's a man in ya, knawin' ya, tearin' ya, in to to

Silly boy ya' self-destroyer. paranoia, they destroy ya'

Self-destroyer, wreck your health
destroy friends, destroy yourself
the time device of, self-destruction
lies, confusion, start eruption

(yea, it goes like this, here it goes) paranoia, they destroy ya
(here's to paranoia) paranoia, they destroy ya
(hey hey, here it goes) paranoia, they destroy ya
(and it goes like this)

paranoia, they destroy ya (and it goes like this)"

Ray Davies, The Kinks, Destroyer

 

I don't know if I'd characterize some of the sentiments here as "paranoia," maybe overly cautious, but not paranoia. Honestly, I'm not worried yet, but I'm getting there. No one can argue that onstar doesn't saves lives, or at least has the capability. The ability to locate a car anywhere after a hijacking or accident has clear advantages. Even being able to unlock doors and email maintenance concerns is kinda nifty too.

Still, I think history has shown that if you put the wrong person at the helm accidents will happen. How many times have you heard "abuse of power." Maybe years down the line when security is lax someone at onstar will look up where their friends are.

As long as we're on the subject (and, admitedly, this is probably better suited for the lounge) the Patriot Act is not something to disregard. Before you claim I'm a conspiracy theorist, or even paranoid, do yourself a favor and actually read the patriot act. A born in the U.S., American citizen can be stripped of citizenship and deported; theoretically, they could also be jailed indefanetly. These are things that can be easily swept under the rug as well, since there currently is very little if any oversight by Congress. In other words, no checks or balances on the legal issues at stake. If need be, OnStar could be used by the Dept. of Homeland Security in such an abuse of power. (Big Brother if you will)

Flame me if you want, but the risk IS there. It is a SMALL risk, but I wouldn't fully disregard it either.

 

Something to worry about? Patriot Act-agreed. Onstar-not. BTW, again, for those of you who don't like it, don't get it. If it's standard, don't pay for the service or disconnect it. It's that simple.

 

Like I said, I'm really not worried. OnStar is not Big Brother, even IF the government wanted to watch all the cars with OnStar the logistical demands are mind boggling. Now, misuse of OnStar through the Patriot act is more likely but still remote. If I bought a new car with OnStar, I'd probably keep it and not worry about it.