The street was clear, a person asked me to take him for a ride. I just took off a bit to demonstrate the exhaust.

As for 30 in a 25, I've seen idiots in minivans doing far worse. They just don't sound mean and aggressive.

In my initial post, I said if you like the sound of the v8, you may like the sound of the Corsa. It doesn't sound like a 5th gen v8, but I think it sounds like some v8's of years past.

 

Couple of things...

The wife likes the V6 sound and I hate it. I also hate Corsa sound on anything as I replaced a Corsa pace car on my vert with A GMS exhaust that I also run on my Z06. It is the best sounding exhaust and my Z06 while being tuned was so loud I had to cover my ears and people in the center were coming out of their buildings to see what was being run. Even a Porsche guy came down to see it. His car was being tuned down the way.

Since the car is for her she will want it stock probably.

The 5.5l DI is probably going to be in the gm lineup. The pushrod is coming to the end of its useful life with new CAFE requirements. It is much more likely than the turbo V6 people are talking about. Several direct soirces that have reliable information have confirmed a 5.5l DI in the C7 and I would be pretty amazed if it didn't prove to be reliable information.

I have to say I am disappointed with the V6 mileage as I can get 27.5 driving 90mph and 30+ driving 70. I had her fully adjust my car last night and drive it after I proved to her that the camaro is not "roomier" than the Corvette. The interior driver comparments are literally almost identical. She then said the console was too high on the Corvette which I also proved was the same on the Camaro. She has something in her head against Corvettes...go figure.

Finally the V6 will never be more collectible than the V8 regardless of how rare it is and very rarely do options and color come into play much with pricing. My Corvette vert is one of just 7 built with the same options...You would be hard pressed to find an electron Blue convertible 6 speed as only 400 were ever built like that with any option combo. While I can sell my car easier because of the rare combo it isn't going to make me rich.

Something like a Ron Fellows Z06 will be the type of low production to hold strong collectible value. No disrespect intended as I began life with a 98 V6 firebird right out of high school. I went down that road and understand if you want to make a car fast you buy a fast car and make it faster. If you want a collectible you buy a collectible...otherwise you are just kidding yourself. Even my monte Carlo is one of less than 1000 built with its options and it way more rare than a chevelle SS...but guess which one is worth way more? Hint it isn't my car lol

 

like a ls1? lt1? i wouldnt say it sounds like either of those and i have heard many lt1's and ls1 and ls2's and they still dont sound liek the v6. the v8 is much deeper than the v6. no comparisson.

 

i think the v6 tt will also be used and the 5.5 will be something used for the z28 and z06. i think the v6tt may be something like the base vette and ss motor.

 

The reason I don't see them using a turbo V6 is because the V6 - V8 gas mileage difference isn't that big. I have yet to ever see a twin turbo anything get good fuel mileage. My wife's beetle turbo is only a 1.8L and barely gets 24 mpg. The Z06 and higher are produced in such limited numbers 6000 per year and 1200 per year for the ZR-1 they won't have a huge impact on GMs average fuel economy. Plus if I can get over 500 HP from a 5.7L pushrod and still get 30+ mpg, then they should be able to easily get 33+ from a smaller DOHC probably putting out more than the 436 the ls3 has now.

Bowling Green had to go through a 2 year update for 131 million dollars, so one thing is for sure, the C7 is going to be A BIG change from the C6. I am almost wondering what we will see pricing at now. The days of $40-50k vettes could well be gone. The Camaros are stealing Vette sales too, so the next few years should be interesting to say the least.

 

It really seems like you are looking for reasons to hate the V6 Camaro. You are entitled to your own opinion.

I also would like to know how you can predict the future and say that no V6 will ever be as collectible as a V8. That all depends on market conditions at the time you are going to sell it. Suppose there is no alternative fuel for the premium gasoline required for the v8 at the time, then what? You got a $38,000 paper weight.

By the way, isn't your car made out of fiberglass, so it is lighter car? That would account for the fuel economy, and there is no way you can throw stuff in the "back seat" of a Corvette.

I also didn't buy the car to be a collectible, I bought it to drive, which is why I perform blasphemy and drive it down dirt roads, and on the salt covered roads in the winter. It is by far the best handling winter car I've ever driven. I just happened to notice that my options were RARE.

Anyhow, sounds like you have already made up your mind. I hope it goes well convincing your wife. Sounds like she has made up her mind as well

 

LOL I do hate the V6, you will get no argument out of me.

Unfortunately I don't get final say on this one as I'd never in a million years even consider a V6 personally. My car is kind of fiberglass, it is a mixture of a fiberglass composite and urethane. It weighs around 3100 lbs for both. Even with bolt-ons only my Z06 already has a higher power to weight ratio than a ZL-1 by 10HP. You are right, the low weight and low aero drag .28 make the Vette super efficient on the highway.

I bought my convertible to drive daily. I got it a year ago with 78k miles and it now has 100k. My Z06 now has 13k miles.

I can tell you the V6 won't be collectible because 30 years from now no one is going to care about a 4 MPG difference, but will care about the fact that you can get 600 HP N/A out of the LS3 and the sky is the limit F/I and might get lucky to push 400-450 out of a turbo or S/C V6. Plus even with the RS package the SS has many upgrades like better body work, and much much much better brakes.

I don't fault people for buying V6s...after all our local dealer is asking $31,000 for a used 1LT 2010. There is a hype right now because they look cool. 2 Years from now when everyone has one people will be kicking themselves for paying what they did.

I remember seeing a guy pay $54,000 for a 2004 GTO only to have a full redesign the next year and have his value tank to low $20s only a year later. That guy ate $30,000 in 12 months. I personally don't get caught up in things like that and would never in a million years pay more than MSRP for a car. That means we will wait a couple years. Sometimes you just have to wait to make the right financial decision. Never use your heart to make a purchasing decision, even if it is something you really really want.

The wife wants a new car now but cannot find anything else after days of searching every online tool possible.

We may just end up trading her beetle on a TDI beetle if we can find one, for the next 2 years and then getting the Camaro.

 

What I hated about the Corsa is what you hear here. The idle was terrible like a spray can rattling. My GMS sounds exactly like this at WOT but a much cleaner and deeper sound at idle. My Z06 with Long Tubes and an X pipe is about twice as loud as this video.

I can assure you from riding in the 2011 V6 that no exhaust on the planet is going to make it sound like my ls1 or my ls6. It pretty much sounds exactly like my 98 did, but even raspier.

But my wife said oooohhhh I like the exhaust when she drove it, ROFL to each their own. She doesn't like mine either. lol

 

Full redesign? The car got some fake hood scoops and an upgraded engine with about 50 more horsepower. Not even remotely a full redesign, though obviously the LS2 makes the '05-'06 models more desirable overall.

Also, paying $54k for a $34k (MRSP) car is a bit on the stupid side IMHO. Wow.

Glad to hear you are being more sensible about it than that guy was!

 

The only difference in "better body work" isn't even body work at all, a different front Fascia with a fake mail slot and a larger lower grill. Now if you are talking suspension, I did get to see those being made first hand. I didn't pay huge attention to all the differences, but I do remember that the v6 manual has a lot in common with the V8 suspensions.

That corsa exhaust you sent me sounds like an idling dumptruck, and I don't think I would like it either.

The Camaro is not a Corvette, and the Corvette is not a Camaro. By the way if I got a classic car, I really like the looks of a 1960 Corvette.

 

I saw a 68 Corvette for $15,000 the other day and decided I might go back in time instead of ahead on the next purchase but who knows what I'll want 2 years from now. I don't think I'll be able to afford a C1 or C2 any time soon unless my business really takes off. I don't think I could bring myself to pay $30,000 for a "project car". C3s are on the rise so it may be a good time to snag one, and if the right C4 came up like a Zr-1, Callaway, or GS I might pull the trigger on one of those before they get crazy. Something is also screaming in my head to buy a Ron Fellows Z06 before they become impossible to find and insanely expensive, but again sooo many choices to consider.


When people are paying $31,000 for a used 1LT with 26k miles I see that as being just about as stupid as $54,000 for a $34,000 car. The GTO got a whole new motor, new hood, and dual exhaust that didn't exit out of only one side. I care much more about a car's engine when looking at vehicles like these.

The SS has better body work because the front looks better. It may not be all that functional, but you get a lot more for your extra money on the SS, as you stated. I'm not knocking the Camaro, it is a nice looking vehicle in most trims. The interior I'm not crazy about and although the 12 looks better, I'm not feeling the steering wheel.

We are being sensible, because being able to afford something like a new Camaro now, but waiting to get one cheaper is what enables us to own multiple vehicles and have the things we want. We went through a period in our life around twenty where we kept buying new cars eating negative equity etc...We aren't really old at 29, but we have a lot more wisdom now than we did ten years ago. Which tells me in this case we need to wait. Supply and demand, and while this is a GREAT time to sell a car, it is also a horrible time to buy one.

 

to answer your first question - my beloved "Thor" (....was my 2010CTF Camaro) has over 17,200 miles on the odometer - I never reset the mileage calculator - and it's at 19.7 - not bad when you consider that there were a lot of 'city' miles (roaring thru the back streets of detroit - rather 'spiritedly') plus all of the "hit it boys" runs - -just to feel that rush..........plus the longer trips.

The V6 is going to get you better mileage - IF you drive sensibly.

 

Corsa exhausts have a problem with the baffles coming loose and rattling around. Sounds like what you got.

-Geoff

 

The pace cars don't have any visible baffles. The mufflers did not rattle at all when I removed them. Even if it was loose baffles an exhaust system that when coupled with taxes and shipping almost comes out to $2000 you would expect higher quality if that was the case. I have been running my Gms for 22k miles now with every single mile enjoyed.