Senseless deaths -- what are YOU going to do about it?
#31
I offer that one of the best things enthusiast can strive for is that we are viewed as responsible voices for vehicular enjoyment.
My idea of a good driving experience is is NOT being distracted by any of the outside world.
Whether it be distraction by a radio, issues in my relationships, issues that involve work, regardless... it's best enjoyed for me as just that...me and the car. I will not kill me or anyone else in the pursuit of a good experience. If that means I will go slower in a situation, worry more about everyone's survival as opposed to "winning"... fine. I and others will live as a result. Another better opportunity will come along.
The reality of any enthusiast of having any hope of keeping what they hold dear is exhibiting behaviour which is not percieved as being a part of a "problem".
Those that claim that pushing the envelope is OK should be willing to do a little to show that as being a valid point.
Dropping the ball in any endeavour will lead to punitive legislation. Like it or not, agree or not, that is how it works.
Avoiding causing negative effect to others in the pursuit of having fun with our vehicles will go far further in gaining respect over nearly any action our community could take.
We all escape the implications of how we drive on a regular basis. We all are the beneficiaries of a degree of good fortune, or more aptly characterized as "dumb luck" on many occasions. I offer that if you have not dodged a bullet, you have not pushed the envelope.
As enthusiast we need to encourage a tightship.
The fastest and most successful drivers I have ever known exhibit one common trait... the ability to focus. Part of that is a willingness to shut out distraction. I know some very fast SOB's. I'm not BS'ing you my friend. Smooth focused and totally aware. That IS the deal.
We are all on a fools errand if we attempt to defend holding a cell phone to our ear or entering a message which could be equally eloquent if done at a roadside location is not tempting fate.
Enthusiasts should take a lead to achieve a respected voice. To be seen as "better drivers" we need to deliver "better driver" goods.
Thus endeth the sermon from 1fastdog...
My idea of a good driving experience is is NOT being distracted by any of the outside world.
Whether it be distraction by a radio, issues in my relationships, issues that involve work, regardless... it's best enjoyed for me as just that...me and the car. I will not kill me or anyone else in the pursuit of a good experience. If that means I will go slower in a situation, worry more about everyone's survival as opposed to "winning"... fine. I and others will live as a result. Another better opportunity will come along.
The reality of any enthusiast of having any hope of keeping what they hold dear is exhibiting behaviour which is not percieved as being a part of a "problem".
Those that claim that pushing the envelope is OK should be willing to do a little to show that as being a valid point.
Dropping the ball in any endeavour will lead to punitive legislation. Like it or not, agree or not, that is how it works.
Avoiding causing negative effect to others in the pursuit of having fun with our vehicles will go far further in gaining respect over nearly any action our community could take.
We all escape the implications of how we drive on a regular basis. We all are the beneficiaries of a degree of good fortune, or more aptly characterized as "dumb luck" on many occasions. I offer that if you have not dodged a bullet, you have not pushed the envelope.
As enthusiast we need to encourage a tightship.
The fastest and most successful drivers I have ever known exhibit one common trait... the ability to focus. Part of that is a willingness to shut out distraction. I know some very fast SOB's. I'm not BS'ing you my friend. Smooth focused and totally aware. That IS the deal.
We are all on a fools errand if we attempt to defend holding a cell phone to our ear or entering a message which could be equally eloquent if done at a roadside location is not tempting fate.
Enthusiasts should take a lead to achieve a respected voice. To be seen as "better drivers" we need to deliver "better driver" goods.
Thus endeth the sermon from 1fastdog...
Last edited by 1fastdog; 07-13-2009 at 04:44 PM.
#32
While we are banning everything that can be done while driving, we should ban hot chicks walking on the side of the road. I swear I have almost gotten in more accidents looking at pretty girls/muscle cars than the phone has ever even come close to causing.
Don't lie you know everyone here has done the approaching Stop sign or redlight and your stareing at her/it then look forward and "Oh crap!" slam on the brakes.
Don't lie you know everyone here has done the approaching Stop sign or redlight and your stareing at her/it then look forward and "Oh crap!" slam on the brakes.
Last edited by super83Z; 07-13-2009 at 03:56 PM.
#34
While we are banning everything that can be done while driving, we should ban hot chicks walking on the side of the road. I swear I have almost gotten in more accidents looking at pretty girls/muscle cars than the phone has ever even come close to causing.
Don't lie you know everyone here has done the approaching Stop sign or redlight and your stareing at her/it then look forward and "Oh crap!" slam on the brakes.
Don't lie you know everyone here has done the approaching Stop sign or redlight and your stareing at her/it then look forward and "Oh crap!" slam on the brakes.
#35
Because, clearly, this wouldn't create a situation where impairment could be just as bad, if not worse than when someone is talking on the phone. I know you say carefully, but the fact is that as careful as you could be you would still be taking your eyes off the road and hands off the wheel.
I'm not intending to attack you, more to point out the fine line presented here. Where do you end it? The radio causes distractions, so does carrying passengers, hell, the new 5th gen could be viewed as a distraction because of the amount of attention it receives. You guys can blast me if you choose to, but I talk on the phone while driving regularly. I am still very aware, still maintain my speed, and have not had any significant issues. The driving comes first, then the conversation. My car has bluetooth capability, but I prefer using my phone and will continue to do so until PA adopts the laws against them.
I'm not intending to attack you, more to point out the fine line presented here. Where do you end it? The radio causes distractions, so does carrying passengers, hell, the new 5th gen could be viewed as a distraction because of the amount of attention it receives. You guys can blast me if you choose to, but I talk on the phone while driving regularly. I am still very aware, still maintain my speed, and have not had any significant issues. The driving comes first, then the conversation. My car has bluetooth capability, but I prefer using my phone and will continue to do so until PA adopts the laws against them.
The difference is active or passive. Listening to music while driving is a passive task, which means you can go about doing that with out it really effecting your ability to drive. Talking on a cell phone, eating, tending to the kids in the back, doing makeup, reading, and so many more are all active task. They take away part of your attention to what you are doing weather you really know it or not.
#36
Natural Selection:
Mother Nature has been doing it for millions of years, why stop now?
#37
This is exactly what I was going to say. I know for a fact on the rare occasion I have talked on the phone while driving I find myself slowing down and worst, not being aware of the cars around me. I always try to keep myself an out in case I need to avoid someone else. Even with my Bluetooth (both earpiece and radio equipped) I try to keep my conversations short. And sort of along the lines of this thread, here is proof that everyone, incuding law enforcement should obey laws. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAC418MCND.DTL
Brian
Brian
#38
As for the passive vs. active argument, again, that is true. I do not dispute this whatsoever. That said, the scenario of receiving a call stating a loved one is injured or dead would in likely circumstances be a very rare call. I'm trying to think of other calls that could even come close to having a similar effect, but I'm drawing a blank.
That's the exact kind of foolish mentality that gets innocent people killed. How is this statement any different than what you hear from a drunk guy at the bar? It's not. You're just replacing the method of impairment. And the arrogance of your last sentence just shows how little our society cares about anything but themselves.
This is another thing that annoys me. Now I know that some people will be up in arms stating that LEOs have special drivers training, but I cannot tell you how many times I have either passed or been passed by officers on their cell phones.
Last edited by 69Camaro327; 07-14-2009 at 02:29 PM.
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