Some thoughts on the pictures........
#286
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
My overall opinion of the car is reasonably good, though I certainly will need to see the finished product to form my final opinion. There are things that I think look terrible (mirrors), not so good (interior, tail lamps, certain aspects to the headlight area), and things that I think look fantastic (coke bottle shape, roofline, cowl hood).
Considering that I thought the current Mustang prototype was terrible looking, but now I find myself fascinated by the production mustang, I can only hope that once this prototype gets toned down to the production version, that I'll absolutely love it. I can very realistically see myself buying my first new car when this comes out. By then my Corvette will be paid off, and by selling the Corvette I'll have enough money down to make the monthly payments managable.
But anyway... the car's appearance is really a secondary consideration for me. I'm much more concerned about the car's performance. This car needs to have better performance than the competition for me to buy it. I don't necessarily need it to slaughter the competition like the LS1 cars did to the Mustangs of the time, but it's got to be as good or better than something else. I also would prefer a solid rear axle unless this new IRS can hook as good as the corvette IRS. The crap under the GTO and CTS/V does not belong on any car that will be drag raced. But, a C4 style IRS isn't likely to be cheap enough to make it worth the extra cost over a solid axle... but please give us something that's significantly stronger than necessary instead of a glass 10 bolt, or a newer equivalent that won't hold up to modified powertrains.
I also would like to see a t-top or targa option. Leaky or not, there's nothing better to me than pulling my t-tops off my IROC or pulling the roof off my Corvette on a nice summer day. However, a latch style mecanism would be VASTLY preferred to the lousy bolt-on roof that my C4 uses.
Lastly, I want my money to go toward the performance. Interior quality is nice and all, but given a certain budget, I would prefer it get spent on performance. I'd rather have my money get spent on light weight and more horsepower. If having both means a bloated, expensive car like the GTO, then I don't want it. I'm perfectly happy with the cheesy interior in my C4, and I'm satisfied with the 4th gen interiors. However, if an interior of better quality can be made without costing more, then I'm all for it. Just don't load the car down with 500 pounds of sound deadening and unnecessarily heavy interior parts. There are ways to make door panels squeek free and asthetically pleasing without making them overly heavy.
The only place where I would really hope that the interior does get improved is in seat material quality. Whether it's leather or cloth, please use something that won't wear through in 30k miles. My girlfriend's camry has 150k miles on the car and the seats are in much better shape then the seats in my Corvette were in when I bought it with 38k miles.
But overall... I'm very impressed and I certainly am looking forward to seeing the actual prototype pics in January.
Considering that I thought the current Mustang prototype was terrible looking, but now I find myself fascinated by the production mustang, I can only hope that once this prototype gets toned down to the production version, that I'll absolutely love it. I can very realistically see myself buying my first new car when this comes out. By then my Corvette will be paid off, and by selling the Corvette I'll have enough money down to make the monthly payments managable.
But anyway... the car's appearance is really a secondary consideration for me. I'm much more concerned about the car's performance. This car needs to have better performance than the competition for me to buy it. I don't necessarily need it to slaughter the competition like the LS1 cars did to the Mustangs of the time, but it's got to be as good or better than something else. I also would prefer a solid rear axle unless this new IRS can hook as good as the corvette IRS. The crap under the GTO and CTS/V does not belong on any car that will be drag raced. But, a C4 style IRS isn't likely to be cheap enough to make it worth the extra cost over a solid axle... but please give us something that's significantly stronger than necessary instead of a glass 10 bolt, or a newer equivalent that won't hold up to modified powertrains.
I also would like to see a t-top or targa option. Leaky or not, there's nothing better to me than pulling my t-tops off my IROC or pulling the roof off my Corvette on a nice summer day. However, a latch style mecanism would be VASTLY preferred to the lousy bolt-on roof that my C4 uses.
Lastly, I want my money to go toward the performance. Interior quality is nice and all, but given a certain budget, I would prefer it get spent on performance. I'd rather have my money get spent on light weight and more horsepower. If having both means a bloated, expensive car like the GTO, then I don't want it. I'm perfectly happy with the cheesy interior in my C4, and I'm satisfied with the 4th gen interiors. However, if an interior of better quality can be made without costing more, then I'm all for it. Just don't load the car down with 500 pounds of sound deadening and unnecessarily heavy interior parts. There are ways to make door panels squeek free and asthetically pleasing without making them overly heavy.
The only place where I would really hope that the interior does get improved is in seat material quality. Whether it's leather or cloth, please use something that won't wear through in 30k miles. My girlfriend's camry has 150k miles on the car and the seats are in much better shape then the seats in my Corvette were in when I bought it with 38k miles.
But overall... I'm very impressed and I certainly am looking forward to seeing the actual prototype pics in January.
#287
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Late to the party here.
I understand Red's comments about first impressions, but . . . I'm underwhelmed. And concerned.
I'll try to break it down.
First, the proportions. This car seems to be a good bit taller than a 4th gen, which was taller than a third. I joked about the new Camaro becoming an SUV a couple of years ago--and this is a little close for comfort.
Also, concepts usually gain quite a bit of bloat and height going from concept to production (like the Mustang), so if this is the sleek oh-wowie version, I'm really really scared abou what the real thing will look like.
Second, the roofline. Argh. Yuck. Can we have something any more ancient than the 1st gen roofline? I would have vastly preferred something more flowing, more modern. The bottom half of the car has enough styling cues from the first gen to make the point very, very well by itself.
I would have liked this car much better if there wasn't a retro Challenger coming out as well. Three retro cars is a bit much. I would have liked to see GM look more to the future.
But, who knows? As a convertible it could be a very nice car. And if the price is right, I'll probably pick up one.
I just wish we could look forward again.
I understand Red's comments about first impressions, but . . . I'm underwhelmed. And concerned.
I'll try to break it down.
First, the proportions. This car seems to be a good bit taller than a 4th gen, which was taller than a third. I joked about the new Camaro becoming an SUV a couple of years ago--and this is a little close for comfort.
Also, concepts usually gain quite a bit of bloat and height going from concept to production (like the Mustang), so if this is the sleek oh-wowie version, I'm really really scared abou what the real thing will look like.
Second, the roofline. Argh. Yuck. Can we have something any more ancient than the 1st gen roofline? I would have vastly preferred something more flowing, more modern. The bottom half of the car has enough styling cues from the first gen to make the point very, very well by itself.
I would have liked this car much better if there wasn't a retro Challenger coming out as well. Three retro cars is a bit much. I would have liked to see GM look more to the future.
But, who knows? As a convertible it could be a very nice car. And if the price is right, I'll probably pick up one.
I just wish we could look forward again.
#289
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
I just want to say that I am in love with the new car just as it is in the pics
Few things...
I dislike the side mirrors…not because of looks or function, but rather the ppl that will be getting sliced by them walking by lol
I have to disagree with a lot of the post about the overall car. It has the classic lines, WHICH ARE SELLING. At this point GM should do what ever it takes to sell. I love the front grill area because it reminds me of the best car ever made, my 67 camaro (lol)
I love the exhaust round, flat tips just don’t seem muscle like to me
Form what I can see, it seems they have a cowl induction like hood, which I am a huge fan of. Noting looks meaner than a car with a raised hood the fit a monster under it.
The dash is plain and smooth, the way I like it. Keep in mind the market the camaro should be aiming at.
As many have said I would like to see a spoiler like the fist gens on the truck lid as an option.
Overall I love it and I would def get one....once some1 loans me the money lol
Few things...
I dislike the side mirrors…not because of looks or function, but rather the ppl that will be getting sliced by them walking by lol
I have to disagree with a lot of the post about the overall car. It has the classic lines, WHICH ARE SELLING. At this point GM should do what ever it takes to sell. I love the front grill area because it reminds me of the best car ever made, my 67 camaro (lol)
I love the exhaust round, flat tips just don’t seem muscle like to me
Form what I can see, it seems they have a cowl induction like hood, which I am a huge fan of. Noting looks meaner than a car with a raised hood the fit a monster under it.
The dash is plain and smooth, the way I like it. Keep in mind the market the camaro should be aiming at.
As many have said I would like to see a spoiler like the fist gens on the truck lid as an option.
Overall I love it and I would def get one....once some1 loans me the money lol
#292
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
I've been semi-comatose since last night with the friggen flu, and just woke up. Now, those pics that were elusive seem too easy to come by My thoughts:
Highs:
1) Long hood, short deck
2) Love the fender bulges over the wheels
3) Love the wheels
4) Good stance
5) Nicely sculpted sides
Lows:
1) I know Scott said there were some 11th hr changes to the nose. I hope that is true, and the nose is softened a little. To the general public (NOT those who will know the difference), this thing has the bull-nosed look of the Charger and the Mustang
2) The fender vents have to go. Have to.
3) Charlie said the character line along the lower portion of the car seems off...I tend to agree. It cuts in too far to meet up with the vent. If the vent wasn't there, voila...clean sides.
4) Those tailights look completely squashed
The Verdict:
Less retro than its competitors, but more retro than I'd hoped for. Dump the vents and clean up the sides, and it would look much more contemporary IMO.
I think I'll be more impressed in person. Going back to sleep now to recover...but at least I'll have semi-sweet dreams
Highs:
1) Long hood, short deck
2) Love the fender bulges over the wheels
3) Love the wheels
4) Good stance
5) Nicely sculpted sides
Lows:
1) I know Scott said there were some 11th hr changes to the nose. I hope that is true, and the nose is softened a little. To the general public (NOT those who will know the difference), this thing has the bull-nosed look of the Charger and the Mustang
2) The fender vents have to go. Have to.
3) Charlie said the character line along the lower portion of the car seems off...I tend to agree. It cuts in too far to meet up with the vent. If the vent wasn't there, voila...clean sides.
4) Those tailights look completely squashed
The Verdict:
Less retro than its competitors, but more retro than I'd hoped for. Dump the vents and clean up the sides, and it would look much more contemporary IMO.
I think I'll be more impressed in person. Going back to sleep now to recover...but at least I'll have semi-sweet dreams
#295
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by FS3800
i think the rear would look so much better if they just took out the divider between the taillights.. something like this:
now that's hot
now that's hot
You know, I think someone needs to grab a big honkin' trowel and scrape away ALL the clay on the rear fascia....and start completely from scratch.
I'm hoping the car I see in Jan will have already had that done.
Last edited by Z284ever; 12-08-2005 at 12:27 PM.
#296
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
I've only seen three pix, pass front quarter, pass rear quarter, and a forward looking interior sketch, so I don't know if there are others.
The Front Quarter:
NICE. The mirrors are obviously silly, so theres still a question as to what production mirrors will look like, but thats no biggie. The front grill and headlights are nice. The foglights, or turn signals or whatever they are...not sure which one is better, but thats not a big thing for me. I like the wheel well flares without the '69 swoops, looks cleaner. I like the edgy overall look, while incorporating some curves and style. Excellent. I like the stance, I like the apparent size. I like the cowl induction hood. Basically the only thing I'd change on this view is to clean up the lower grille and foglights, get a real mirror, and thats it. AWESOME!
The Rear Quarter:
Hmmmmm. Ok, I like the greenhouse, perfect. The tail lights need work. I don't know what, but they're just not right. Also, the way the peaked fenders end up at a higher level than the middle of the trunk needs to be balanced out somehow, maybe with a C6-like spoiler/brake light. The license plate looks to be mounted too high, most cars these days has it lower in the bumper. The exhausts are waaaay too big, and the chopped top is strange looking, though it matches the tail lights, which are also strange looking. Round tips don't really look good on this car, it needs something more angular, and mounted lower. It's hard to see much of what the diffuser panel looks like. In summary, change every element of the rear end I'm sorry to say.
The Interior:
Nice. I like the use of color, the console mounted guages, the round speedo and tach, the chrome/aluminum accents, and the contrasting stitching. I dislike the combination of round and rectangular a/c vents, that looks strange. I would like to see a real dash too. This one has no hvac, lighting, or radio controls. I would like to see those in place to see if it disrupts the flow of the design. But overall, I'm liking the interior! Offer it in RED!
The Front Quarter:
NICE. The mirrors are obviously silly, so theres still a question as to what production mirrors will look like, but thats no biggie. The front grill and headlights are nice. The foglights, or turn signals or whatever they are...not sure which one is better, but thats not a big thing for me. I like the wheel well flares without the '69 swoops, looks cleaner. I like the edgy overall look, while incorporating some curves and style. Excellent. I like the stance, I like the apparent size. I like the cowl induction hood. Basically the only thing I'd change on this view is to clean up the lower grille and foglights, get a real mirror, and thats it. AWESOME!
The Rear Quarter:
Hmmmmm. Ok, I like the greenhouse, perfect. The tail lights need work. I don't know what, but they're just not right. Also, the way the peaked fenders end up at a higher level than the middle of the trunk needs to be balanced out somehow, maybe with a C6-like spoiler/brake light. The license plate looks to be mounted too high, most cars these days has it lower in the bumper. The exhausts are waaaay too big, and the chopped top is strange looking, though it matches the tail lights, which are also strange looking. Round tips don't really look good on this car, it needs something more angular, and mounted lower. It's hard to see much of what the diffuser panel looks like. In summary, change every element of the rear end I'm sorry to say.
The Interior:
Nice. I like the use of color, the console mounted guages, the round speedo and tach, the chrome/aluminum accents, and the contrasting stitching. I dislike the combination of round and rectangular a/c vents, that looks strange. I would like to see a real dash too. This one has no hvac, lighting, or radio controls. I would like to see those in place to see if it disrupts the flow of the design. But overall, I'm liking the interior! Offer it in RED!
Last edited by CLEAN; 12-08-2005 at 03:36 PM.
#298
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
I hope, for just the sake of keeping the coupes looking like a familiy, that they use cirlce tail lights. Not oval, not qazi-cirlce, I want C6, LED lit, circle tail lights. Share the damn things if you have to and save on cost.
And I will say, that the stupid LS1tech.com logo couldnt have been placed in a better place so that the logo's lines blend in with the lines of the car, probably giving off some bad vibes.
And I will say, that the stupid LS1tech.com logo couldnt have been placed in a better place so that the logo's lines blend in with the lines of the car, probably giving off some bad vibes.
#299
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
The exhaust tips remind me of the "supertrap" tips, and that is NOT a good thing.
What is going on in the black area that we can't see? Why is the rear bumper, or whatever it is supposed to be, so high up? It looks like the car was kicked in the ****.
What is going on in the black area that we can't see? Why is the rear bumper, or whatever it is supposed to be, so high up? It looks like the car was kicked in the ****.
#300
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by CLEAN
FS380, pics are not allowed to be posted, unless you like black suburbans
if pics are not allowed to be posted.. i'll let a Mod take the link down.. and if that's the case, i'm sorry i didnt know
till then it stays