Some thoughts on the pictures........
#421
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
I'll post my thoughts too - read all 42 pages so far . I love this car! I am going to love it no matter how it turns out as long as it holds true to RP's description of Camaro. I trust him and the good folks on this project enough to make us proud.
I do need to add that I am in awe of the headlight/grille opening. The way it looks like it's ready to take on all comers and kick their butts is the best part of the car to me - besides the word Camaro on it of course!
Please make it 07 - 40th Anniversary!
I do need to add that I am in awe of the headlight/grille opening. The way it looks like it's ready to take on all comers and kick their butts is the best part of the car to me - besides the word Camaro on it of course!
Please make it 07 - 40th Anniversary!
#423
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by danno02SS
Red,
Did these results influence the direction of the design back in '99?
If so, was that direction completely scrapped when work on the new Camaro stopped?
Were similar clinics (with similar polls) held again once work restarted.
I guess, I'm trying to get at what was the driver for the heavy 1st gen influence on the new car (other than the Mustangs sales numbers of course).
Thanks.
Did these results influence the direction of the design back in '99?
If so, was that direction completely scrapped when work on the new Camaro stopped?
Were similar clinics (with similar polls) held again once work restarted.
I guess, I'm trying to get at what was the driver for the heavy 1st gen influence on the new car (other than the Mustangs sales numbers of course).
Thanks.
come back and ask me these questions in February.
#425
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by IZ28
It didn't surprise me at all that the IROC-Z won that. Third Gens will probably always be the most popular Camaros in general, especially when alot of people base things on looks alone.
Most enthusiasts will go for the way back stuff for various reasons. Although, as the newer stuff ages, (if you want to call something from the 80's newer) alot of people are getting more and more interested in them.
Most enthusiasts will go for the way back stuff for various reasons. Although, as the newer stuff ages, (if you want to call something from the 80's newer) alot of people are getting more and more interested in them.
That said, the 2nd gen outsold the 3rd gen. Not as collectible right now......
Interestingly the 1969 Camaro seems when looking at resale values, to be one Camaro that stands out .....but I remind people that not only was it not in the top 5 'best selling years'....but it was also a 16 month car! (you will recall we did not announce the 1970 Camaro until the early spring of 1970.)
When you talk about 3rd and 4th gens to people...generally...they talk about how low the car sits to the ground...how heavy and long and wide-opening the doors are...and the difficulty getting in and out of them...esp. in parking lots. (my mother turned 81 today......--December 12 -- and she laughs when she hears people say that the Camaro is hard to get into. She's got a Bright Red 2002 and can hardly wait to get her hands on a new one...and she'll be there on the 9th....threatening me that if we don't build it, she's gonna ground me and everyone else at GM....) (better warn Lutz that she can throw a mean bedroom slipper and clip you from 1/4 mile) but I digress.......
I personally love the 3rd and 4th gen cars...in terms of looks/handling/performance/etc........however, I believe that one of the reasons Mustang has always been successful is that they stayed pretty true to their original heritage. (OK...the early 70s cars got massive...) but with exeception of the Mustang II, they kept a formula that was appealing to a wider audience. Camaro, on the other hand....did not. The car became more like a jet fighter, if you will....and no question that it was bred for the road.....incredible handing on top of straight line performance. I've been raked over the coals on more than one occassion when I'd say "I don't want to outsell the Mustang.......I want to continually outperform it on the tracks!"
I would not call the new car "retro"....I'd call it "21st century with respect to heritage"...and when you see the car in person....I'd ask that you stand back....and look at it for a while (you may have to push people aside with guards to do so!)....and I think you will find clues to all four generations of Camaro. That's great design.
The final analysis? I guess we'll know after January 20th or so...when a lot of people make their way to Detroit to look at the concept in person. Make no mistake.....there will be people that hate it. (I have yet to see a car that everyone loves....) But I also believe the majority will embrace it.
Time will tell.
Just glad that finally when I say "The Future Indeed Looks Bright"...there are finally some people that realize that I wasn't lying after all!
Last edited by Fbodfather; 12-13-2005 at 12:27 AM.
#426
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by turbo96z28
or you could just write that book already!
The real question is: would anyone really want to buy a book written by a guy who grew up in a Chevy Dealership in Western PA?
#427
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Originally Posted by Red Planet
The real question is: would anyone really want to buy a book written by a guy who grew up in a Chevy Dealership in Western PA?
#428
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Don't forget that the car has to go though a mid year styling update and some stuff already designed may be slated to show up later. Just from looking at the mounting points it sure does look like the 98 Camaro's frontend was designed along with the 93.
Maybe RP knows...were both versions of the 4th gen done in a similar timeframe?
Maybe RP knows...were both versions of the 4th gen done in a similar timeframe?
#429
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by Red Planet
funny that you should mention that. A 'certain' webmaster and I were chatting last evening on IM.....and he'd like to help me write that book. The problem is: What DO I put in there? There's so much I can think of that goes beyond Camaro.......and as we were talking, I came up with about 20 chapters.
The real question is: would anyone really want to buy a book written by a guy who grew up in a Chevy Dealership in Western PA?
The real question is: would anyone really want to buy a book written by a guy who grew up in a Chevy Dealership in Western PA?
i would be one of the first in line to get that book!!!
honestly Scott, you are the face of the car we love. you are the one that goes to all the shows, says hi to everyone, pulls your hair out reading some of the stuff we post ( ), and generally treats eveyone with respect. i think it's safe to say, for all you've done for us, the least we could do is make your book a NY Times Best Seller
think of how well All Corvettes Are Red did outside of the Vette purists.
#431
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by Red Planet
The real question is: would anyone really want to buy a book written by a guy who grew up in a Chevy Dealership in Western PA?
#432
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by Red Planet
funny that you should mention that. A 'certain' webmaster and I were chatting last evening on IM.....and he'd like to help me write that book. The problem is: What DO I put in there? There's so much I can think of that goes beyond Camaro.......and as we were talking, I came up with about 20 chapters.
The real question is: would anyone really want to buy a book written by a guy who grew up in a Chevy Dealership in Western PA?
The real question is: would anyone really want to buy a book written by a guy who grew up in a Chevy Dealership in Western PA?
Most likely.. you will probably get everyone in cz28.com buying the book... and anyone else that would ever be interested in a Camaro and plenty of other enthusiast. Us... the members of Cz28.com will buy it for sure because we believe that we ALL have lived and suffered and experienced what you are putting down in that book. We all suffered the death of the F-body back in 2002, we all experienced the emptiness of not having our most beloved car reborn into a 5th gen... and now we all are very excited and can't wait to be able to get our hands on that 5th gen.. because indeed the future looks bright!
I love my Z06 it doesn't speak to me like the Z28 did to me. The Z28 and I had tigher and stronger bond.. and i can't explain it. I can't understand why I still miss it after been so long since i had it. I can't explain how i can still feel connected to it if the Z06 outperforms my Z28 in every way... or that funny feeling inside everytime i see a nicely keep LT1 white camaro going down the street. Don't get me wrong I love my Blue Z06 but, damn, I know what I want for my daily driver when it comes out!!! not very practical.. but hey... when was that my main concern.
Last edited by jcamere94z28; 12-13-2005 at 08:55 AM.
#433
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by Red Planet
funny that you should mention that. A 'certain' webmaster and I were chatting last evening on IM.....and he'd like to help me write that book. The problem is: What DO I put in there? There's so much I can think of that goes beyond Camaro.......and as we were talking, I came up with about 20 chapters.
The real question is: would anyone really want to buy a book written by a guy who grew up in a Chevy Dealership in Western PA?
The real question is: would anyone really want to buy a book written by a guy who grew up in a Chevy Dealership in Western PA?
I know for the past almost 10 years now you touched mine and Cindy's in many ways. The real hat is off to your mom and dad they raised you.
#434
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Being as anally retentive as I am, I'll be happy to do the first proofing for you.
After that you'll want a professional to do it, but I'll catch most of the gremmar/speilling erly.
After that you'll want a professional to do it, but I'll catch most of the gremmar/speilling erly.
#435
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by Red Planet
funny that you should mention that. A 'certain' webmaster and I were chatting last evening on IM.....and he'd like to help me write that book. The problem is: What DO I put in there? There's so much I can think of that goes beyond Camaro.......and as we were talking, I came up with about 20 chapters.
The real question is: would anyone really want to buy a book written by a guy who grew up in a Chevy Dealership in Western PA?
The real question is: would anyone really want to buy a book written by a guy who grew up in a Chevy Dealership in Western PA?