Some thoughts on the pictures........
#436
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by Red Planet
Why do you say the 3rd gen will probably always be the most popular Camaros in general? Please don't get me wrong......when I first saw the 3rd gen......OMG......nearly fell over........just incredible.
That said, the 2nd gen outsold the 3rd gen. Not as collectible right now......
Interestingly the 1969 Camaro seems when looking at resale values, to be one Camaro that stands out .....but I remind people that not only was it not in the top 5 'best selling years'....but it was also a 16 month car! (you will recall we did not announce the 1970 Camaro until the early spring of 1970.
That said, the 2nd gen outsold the 3rd gen. Not as collectible right now......
Interestingly the 1969 Camaro seems when looking at resale values, to be one Camaro that stands out .....but I remind people that not only was it not in the top 5 'best selling years'....but it was also a 16 month car! (you will recall we did not announce the 1970 Camaro until the early spring of 1970.
Why do I say that 3rds will probably always be the most popular to the general public? Because I also believe without a doubt, that 3rds defined the word Camaro better than any other Gen, just as the poll said. They left a bigger impact on the public than the other Gens did. They were THE CAR of their time, regardless of any number or figures, that's what they were. (the most stolen cars of their time also!) Later 2nds were close in that aspect, but the image that 3rds had in the 80s made even the Corvette look boring. Also, 3rds outsold the M*stang more times than any other Gen and were noted for their outstanding style constantly, nothing looked or looks like them still. They were just ahead of their time and will continue to gain appreciation from enthusiasts and in value as they age. BTW, check out what some mint/low-mile top model 3rds are going for, most of them are more than mid-later 2nd Gens already.
Last edited by IZ28; 12-13-2005 at 11:08 AM.
#437
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by PacerX
Being as anally retentive as I am, I'll be happy to do the first proofing for you.
After that you'll want a professional to do it, but I'll catch most of the gremmar/speilling erly.
After that you'll want a professional to do it, but I'll catch most of the gremmar/speilling erly.
#438
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by PacerX
Being as anally retentive as I am, I'll be happy to do the first proofing for you.
After that you'll want a professional to do it, but I'll catch most of the gremmar/speilling erly.
After that you'll want a professional to do it, but I'll catch most of the gremmar/speilling erly.
#441
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by Red Planet
The real question is: would anyone really want to buy a book written by a guy who grew up in a Chevy Dealership in Western PA?
The real question is: would anyone really want to buy a book written by a guy who grew up in a Chevy Dealership in Western PA?
It would be nice to see the prototypes and such. There was one called Tomcat (in my photo gallery I made) that I've never been able to find any info about. Much of the info about this type of stuff was either never published, or lost among stories in car magazines I don't want to buy off ebay. Most of the pictures are lost and gone forever as well. I'd love to see more pics similar to those in my gallery here: http://community.webshots.com/album/264440848pGJHVT
#442
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by Red Planet
........however, I believe that one of the reasons Mustang has always been successful is that they stayed pretty true to their original heritage. (OK...the early 70s cars got massive...) but with exeception of the Mustang II, they kept a formula that was appealing to a wider audience. Camaro, on the other hand....did not. The car became more like a jet fighter, if you will....and no question that it was bred for the road.....incredible handing on top of straight line performance. I've been raked over the coals on more than one occassion when I'd say "I don't want to outsell the Mustang.......I want to continually outperform it on the tracks!" ....
I'm a type of person who likes to compete, and at the same time I know that the auto business is still a business. If a car doesn't make a case for selling, it's going to be tough to defend in bad times.
The 4th gen IMO has really spoiled people, and to a large extent doomed Camaro's future (I'm speaking past tense, 2002 here). Sure, Camaro was a hot handling missle, but Mustang was handing it it's a**.
I'm probally glader than anyone that Camaro is going back to it's roots and is actually going to take on the Mustang on more than just the track. :bnow:
#443
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
I think the concept look better than finish 05 mustang. I can't wait for car to come out going to put deposit down and still wondering should I trade in my 4 gen camaro in. At last GM is doing the right thing
Last edited by downwithmustang; 12-13-2005 at 10:20 PM.
#444
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Scott I want a new camaro in the worst way at 57 it could be my last new car lol. Now for the bad part ,if you look for my post on here you will see I didn`t like much about the pics.The rear looks like a Caddy or a Vette camaros should not look like them.The side 1/4 panel has mustang vents another no no.the roof line was nice but the upper grill has to go,it looks like one of the trucks or Impala.The square speedo doesn`t go with the lines of the interior and please don`t put color matching faces on them unless its an option we can delete.Oh and the mirrors were ugly and overpowering.Make a rear view camera or something. A nice stripped down Z28 version with an LS7 would be nice but no dumb spoilers that don`t work.A version with radio,A/C and rear seat delete would be fantastic.Guess I grew up in the days when we could do all this stuff but I hate having a car that is the same as all the others on the road with one option package.Oh well I guess I`m dreaming again.Thanks Scott P.S. I`ll keep my 78 and 94 also.
#446
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by MarcR94v6
I strongly believe that the leaked pictures were old C.G.I. drafts that look way different from what we will see in a matter of weeks.
Don't worry.
Don't worry.
why would they divide a cgi model in half? it doesnt cost anything really to have two different design directions as cgi models..
also, the setting in those pictures is clearly one that has been used before.. i forget the name of it, some around here know it.. but it's one that GM takes a lot of pictures of their cars in.. some hiddin area in Michigan i think
#447
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by FS3800
also, the setting in those pictures is clearly one that has been used before.. i forget the name of it, some around here know it.. but it's one that GM takes a lot of pictures of their cars in.. some hiddin area in Michigan i think
#448
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by kick Z tail out
I recognize that square myself, it's part of GM's Michigan complex. I've seen some old Vettes sitting in that very spot before.
#450
Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Well, I can finally see that the rumors are true and gm is getting back on track. As a lifelong camaro fan I could not be more delighted. I am the proud owner of a 1999 stock Z28 m6 and getting ready to explain to my wife why a 2nd camaro would be a perfect addition to my family.