Spinoff: what should a Camaro Track Pack include?
#46
The optional 21" wheels cost so much because they are a dealer option. As a factory option, they would be significantly less, because you would first get to subtract the cost of the stock 20" wheels (and tires).
#47
I have to ask though, why is everyone so worried about out turning a Mustang from the factory? The Mustang couldn't out drag a Camaro from the factory for the longest times and that arguably the car's main performance demographic. Mustang sales certainly didn't suffer. If the Camaro ends up a failure, I highly doubt it will be because the Mustang could slalom 3mph faster. I'm sure the General has a few surprises up his sleeves to keep the car fresh and relevant through it's life cycle.
#48
That is all it's for. The weight reduction is negligible. The reason you don't see them much in top level racing is after 500 miles or sooner they get replaced. In a production car,after 15 or 20 spirited driving excursions your going to have lost a great deal of that braking performance you had not long before. Less meat to release means going in hot becomes far to adventurous. And popping for new rotors and pads 3x sooner then if you had the performance rotors and pads.
#49
It's funny that you mention the 1LE, I had a 1995 and I always felt like what I had was to the third and fouth generation cars what the Z28 was to the first and very early second generation cars. I would really like to see the Z28 return to it's early roots, but if that's not possible I wouldn't mind getting another 1LE if it had the right equipment.
#50
I'd like to see sticker wide 19 inch wheels and tires.
The cold air intake included and the hurst short shifter.
Maybe some of the pedders suspension pieces (or GM equivalents)
A slightly stiffer suspension with better tires and a little bit more hp from the factory to push the weight around could make all the difference. At least to me.
The cold air intake included and the hurst short shifter.
Maybe some of the pedders suspension pieces (or GM equivalents)
A slightly stiffer suspension with better tires and a little bit more hp from the factory to push the weight around could make all the difference. At least to me.
#51
I have to ask though, why is everyone so worried about out turning a Mustang from the factory? The Mustang couldn't out drag a Camaro from the factory for the longest times and that arguably the car's main performance demographic. Mustang sales certainly didn't suffer. If the Camaro ends up a failure, I highly doubt it will be because the Mustang could slalom 3mph faster. I'm sure the General has a few surprises up his sleeves to keep the car fresh and relevant through it's life cycle.
#52
Ford is already offering a 2nd tier "track pack"
http://www.motorauthority.com/mustan...-upgrades.html
http://www.motorauthority.com/mustan...-upgrades.html
#53
Ford is already offering a 2nd tier "track pack"
http://www.motorauthority.com/mustan...-upgrades.html
http://www.motorauthority.com/mustan...-upgrades.html
I'm not aware of any GMPP suspension upgrades for Camaro...
#54
I'll help since I seem to be at least part of the reason this was dug back up.
The usual bars, stiffer / shorter springs, shocks, struts of course.
One potential weak link I've seen so far are those spindly little sway endlinks. Embiggen those please.
A smaller diameter (18 inch) but wider (at least 10 inch) wheel on all four corners. The shorter springs should still fill the wheel wells by lowering the car.
Noisier / free flowing cat back and intake. Does / can this car have a crossover pipe?
A stronger clutch with the requisite increase in pedal force. 4th gen Camaro and C5 Corvette clutches and clutch pedals have always felt too soft to me and this one is supposedly softer yet.
The usual bars, stiffer / shorter springs, shocks, struts of course.
One potential weak link I've seen so far are those spindly little sway endlinks. Embiggen those please.
A smaller diameter (18 inch) but wider (at least 10 inch) wheel on all four corners. The shorter springs should still fill the wheel wells by lowering the car.
Noisier / free flowing cat back and intake. Does / can this car have a crossover pipe?
A stronger clutch with the requisite increase in pedal force. 4th gen Camaro and C5 Corvette clutches and clutch pedals have always felt too soft to me and this one is supposedly softer yet.
#55
The 18" wheels on the LS and 1LT still have 28" tires. Or are you wanting a smaller diameter tire too? If so, I think you can pretty much write that off as an impossibility. And if not, the wheel wells should be just as full with 18s as they are with 20s.
#56
This picture would seem to indicate otherwise. There is waaaaaay more than the required one additional inch of clearance there.
Yes. Think of it as a quick and easy bump in gearing.
Why? Smaller diameter wheels are an impossibility? Explain please.
Yes. Think of it as a quick and easy bump in gearing.
Why? Smaller diameter wheels are an impossibility? Explain please.
Last edited by Chewbacca; 06-15-2009 at 05:37 PM.
#57
I bet they probably wont offer any type of pack like that because whatever they would throw in this proposed "track pack" would come standard in the z/28 or at least they wouldnt until the z/28 dropped if it drops. That way it still attracts people to the upgraded performance buy in the z/28. But i do feel where your coming from because upgrades are always a +!!
#58
From the factory? Of course. The wheel wells are designed for a 28" tire. It would look ridiculous with anything else. There's simply no way it's going to happen.
#59
#60
Are you willing to sacrifice the Brembo brakes for that decreased wheel size? The SS brakes won't fit under 18" wheels.
The 18" wheels on the LS and 1LT still have 28" tires. Or are you wanting a smaller diameter tire too? If so, I think you can pretty much write that off as an impossibility. And if not, the wheel wells should be just as full with 18s as they are with 20s.
The 18" wheels on the LS and 1LT still have 28" tires. Or are you wanting a smaller diameter tire too? If so, I think you can pretty much write that off as an impossibility. And if not, the wheel wells should be just as full with 18s as they are with 20s.
The Corvette team could EASILY put 20" wheels all around, but they have kept the front wheels shorter for a reason...
The Z06/Grand Sport also have 275/325 f/r width tires to go with their flared fenders.
Use 1" shorter tires and lower the thing a half inch and very few will notice a change.
For what it's worth, I think the 1LE package should be optional with any drivetrain.