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Old 02-02-2007 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by camarolvr69
2.offer either a bolt in solid axle,or have as an option
I love the people who are already calling for a SAS and are not even going to give the IRS a chance.
Old 02-02-2007 | 11:09 AM
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I'm saying they should build a $50,000+ Camaro,...
I agree. However, I don't expect it to cost quite that much, although after you add in options and dealer mark-ups, it may.
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... they shouldbadge it ZL1,...
I disagree with you there. Outside of the small circle of enthusiasts, ZL1 doesn't have much of a marketing value. They should name such a car Z28.
Originally Posted by Mjolnir
... and they should sell it to people with more money than brains.
I'm sorry, but I do have more brains than money (I'm a professional engineer), however that is the Camaro I intend to purchase, should GM build it. While I'm not filthy rich, I am well off enough that I could afford such a car, if I make a few sacrifices.
Originally Posted by Mjolnir
A 427 and some badging shouldn't cost $15,000 more than an SS, ...
That has been debated. The cost of the LS7 vs. the LS2 is roughly $8000 depending on who you ask. However if you look at the Z06 Corvette vs. the Z51, there are several additional upgrades that offset the huge price difference. Those of us that are advocating the creation of the "Z28" are looking for similar differences between the Camaro versions as well. However as the LS7 will virtually be dead by the time a "Z28" could hit the streets, I'd actually prefer the LS9, which as I understand is a supercharged 6.2L (388? cid) LSx based motor that puts out similar hp to the LS7, and would probably be cheaper to build and maintain.
Originally Posted by Mjolnir
but people would pay $15,000 more for it. Maybe.
I certainly would.
Old 02-02-2007 | 01:53 PM
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jg95z28- Let me start by saying that i agree with you in general, but there are a couple of specific things I disagree with.

I think the Z28 can be done for about $40k, and that there is a big enthusiast market waiting for it. Anything that looks good but will spank a GT500 for less money will sell just fine.

I believe the ZL1 has more marketing value than you think, but let's ignore that for the sake of argument. I believe that GM has a golden opportunity with the 5th gen. The car is generating huge buzz, and what better time to introduce a new marketing tag that doesn't cross historical precedent than now?

In the same way Ford has the Bullitt (a car named after a cult movie) we could have the ZL1. It would allow GM to sell a high-dollar car without creating expectations the way SS and Z28 do. To illustrate that think about the fact that there appear to be the only a couple of threads that really argues about the ZL1, but sometimes it feels like every single other thread on the board devolves into a Z28/SS debate.

My vision centers around GM taking a name that has been (up til now) lightly utilized and building a new marketing campaign around it. GM could basically define what a ZL1 was, and then position it to be a big(ish) money limited production vehicle. By the time 2010-2011 gets here $50k-$55k will be bottom end 'vette territory. That leaves room for a Camaro that isn't an SS, isn't a Z28, but is something new.

I have an opinion on what that car should be, but we can talk about that by PM.

My basic point is that ZL1 is such a small part of the Camaro world that GM could use that name to sell a few more cars while bringing huge positive press and halo buyers to the showroom. Not to mention the fact we get back-door 427 kits for our cars.

The question I'm basically asking is would it **** you off more to see a $55,000 SS with a 427 and 22" chrome rims called ZL1 or Z28?
Old 02-02-2007 | 05:12 PM
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I just don't see the LS7 in any Camaro from GM... period. By the time Camaro returns the LS7 will be dead.
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