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View Poll Results: How important are t-tops on a 5th gen to you?
I would spend $1,000 - $1,300 on a t-top/targa top option, if available
84
68.85%
I would not waste the money...give me a hardtop
28
22.95%
If no t-top/targa top option, I may not buy a 5th...I may buy a Mustang with t-tops
10
8.20%
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Old 02-14-2006 | 02:38 PM
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Re: T-top/Targa Top Poll

So with 35 votes so far, 75% of us claim we'd either spend the $$ for the t-tops, or we wouldn't buy the car at all if we couldn't have them...

Sounds pretty close to the 80% from 2002, doesn't it??
Old 02-14-2006 | 02:46 PM
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truth be told, as much as I liked the T-tops I had on my '98 Camaro, I wouldn't want them on the 5th gen. The t-tops or a targa top would ruin the look of the car. Keep them off.
Old 02-14-2006 | 02:58 PM
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I'm just going to put it like this...

This car need options and alot of them! Thsi is partially why Mustang does well and why previous Camaro generations (besides 4th) did so well. People want to make their car unique to their tastes. I personally don't want them but I would hate to see GM loose sales to other brands because they didn't offer customers what they want.
Old 02-14-2006 | 04:42 PM
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I want t-tops. That was one of 3 necessities of why I have my current Z28. It HAD to be silver, it HAD to have t-tops, and it HAD to be a 6-speed. Regardless I'm buying a 5th gen. Not sure what color, I would love t-tops or if not I want a sunroof/moonroof for sure, and yes it will be a 6-speed manual. For good options I'm willing to pay. HUD, t-tops, and so on. All GM has to do is offer.
Old 02-14-2006 | 05:59 PM
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It really depends. T-tops are a make it or break it decision for me. If I wind up trading my Bird (Which I doubt, but who knows), then it has to have t-tops.
Old 02-14-2006 | 06:25 PM
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I want T-Tops in the 5th gen.

I'm not sure where the "Mustang is getting T-Tops or a Targa" rumor started, but it certainly hasn't been in the press and I really doubt it is going to happen.
Old 02-14-2006 | 06:46 PM
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Hardtop plz
Old 02-15-2006 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TTopJohn
I'm not sure where the "Mustang is getting T-Tops or a Targa" rumor started, but it certainly hasn't been in the press and I really doubt it is going to happen.
Sounds like someone needs to hang around here more often

So, with 78 votes, we're still running 75% in favor of t-tops and/or will not buy a Camaro without them. Sounds like someone at GM better be paying attention
Old 02-15-2006 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason E
So, with 78 votes, we're still running 75% in favor of t-tops and/or will not buy a Camaro without them. Sounds like someone at GM better be paying attention
They should pay attention to a skewed poll? Come on now. Perhaps if you had worded your poll a little fairer the results would have been different:
  • I would spend $1,000 - $1,300 on a t-top/targa top option, if available and it doesn't ruin the overall look of the current Camaro concept.

  • If a t-top/targa top option changes the overall look of the current Camaro concept, ...give me a hardtop.

  • If no t-top/targa top option, I may not buy a 5th...I may buy a Mustang with t-tops.

Cost really isn't a factor with me as I'm already planning on buying the loaded uber Camaro. Your biased poll made it into one. I would have voted differently had you worded the poll differently.

I haven't seen a photoshop yet that shows how the engineering can be made to work without ruining either the look of the car or its structural integrity. That is why I don't want a t-top/targa top. Show me how it can be made to work without changing the look dramatically, and I may change my tune. (Simply blacking out portions of the roof to simulate a t-top proves nothing from an engineering standpoint.)

P.S. I'm actually more concerned with maintaining the roof bulges than whether or not it gets a blacked out b-pillar.

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Old 02-15-2006 | 12:41 PM
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The masses have spoken.

Not having T-tops is a mistake.

I imagine a liveable one should the cards fall that way, but it's still a mistake.
Old 02-15-2006 | 01:18 PM
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jg,
With all due respect, I grant you this is not a scientific poll, and admittedly the choices may not be the greatest. However, the fact remains that we do NOT know that adding a B pillar will wreck the appearance of the car. What we DO know is that a lack of t-tops is going to be a serious blow to the cache and popularity of this car. I want this car to be as insanely popular as possible, so that we can all get a taste of what we want. More sales = more money = higher R&D budget.

You cannot tell me that the Corvette is overly compromised with its targa roof. At the same time, I do not believe that a blacked out B pillar will hurt the look of the car in any significant way. However, not having t-tops most definitely WILL hurt the sales appeal and cache of the car, ESPECIALLY if Mustang gets them.

This is a fun car. A lot of fun cars have roofs that come off. 3 generations of Camaros have had roofs that came off. There is ZERO reason, in my opinion, why a clean-sheet car cannot be strong enough to have t-tops or a targa baked in, and come out with impressive results. Look how much better the 4th gen t-top design and overall car was than the third. And that was still based off a 1982 platform. Now, imagine what our new Zeta lite car can do...

I am not convinced there will be killer consequences to having t-tops with this car...and I plan to scream as loud as I can while we still have a couple years before this car comes out....
Old 02-15-2006 | 01:32 PM
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I think a targa top would look better than t-tops on this car.
But I'm game for either one.
I would spend $1300 for the option in a heartbeat, no-brainer.
Old 02-15-2006 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason E
jg,
With all due respect, I grant you this is not a scientific poll, and admittedly the choices may not be the greatest. However, the fact remains that we do NOT know that adding a B pillar will wreck the appearance of the car. What we DO know is that a lack of t-tops is going to be a serious blow to the cache and popularity of this car. I want this car to be as insanely popular as possible, so that we can all get a taste of what we want. More sales = more money = higher R&D budget.

You cannot tell me that the Corvette is overly compromised with its targa roof. At the same time, I do not believe that a blacked out B pillar will hurt the look of the car in any significant way. However, not having t-tops most definitely WILL hurt the sales appeal and cache of the car, ESPECIALLY if Mustang gets them.

This is a fun car. A lot of fun cars have roofs that come off. 3 generations of Camaros have had roofs that came off. There is ZERO reason, in my opinion, why a clean-sheet car cannot be strong enough to have t-tops or a targa baked in, and come out with impressive results. Look how much better the 4th gen t-top design and overall car was than the third. And that was still based off a 1982 platform. Now, imagine what our new Zeta lite car can do...

I am not convinced there will be killer consequences to having t-tops with this car...and I plan to scream as loud as I can while we still have a couple years before this car comes out....
I think you're missing my point Jason. The reason the targa works for Corvette, is because it was part of the design from day one and the styling direction the car took kept this in mind. If a t-top/targa top option was not part of the design for the Camaro concept from day one, they'll now have to modify the design to make it work. That just isn't a good approach if its that critical in making the car successful.

Based upon the current concept design, especially with the roof and b-pillars, it doesn't appear that a t-top/targa top was initially in the plans. Adding a removeable top now could be a simple solution, or it could take several iterations to design and change the overall look of the car. This means that if a t-top/targa top has to be in the plans we're either going to get a hodge podge t-top/targa top that may not be the best solution, or its going to delay bringing the car to production. I like the looks of the car as it is and would rather have it sooner than later. If that means no t-top for now, so be it.

Of course none of this matters if they had already planned for a t-top/targa top from day one, and we just haven't seen it. However, because of the fact the concept was based on the 69 Camaro, I can't imagine that being the case. Therefore, I'm against forcing there to be a t-top/targa top... for now. (Also there's the whole argument of having no t-top/targa top further differentiates Camaro from Corvette, but that discussion is another time, another place.)
Old 02-15-2006 | 02:11 PM
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Re: T-top/Targa Top Poll

Frankly I doubt I’ll be buying another Camaro for a number of reasons. That said, perhaps my opinion doesn’t matter all that much. However, I suspect how I feel about a new F-body without a T-Top (or Targa) option is reflective of how a lot of people feel.

I don’t really like convertibles (at least, not for myself to own)…I don’t like how a convertible top looks when it’s “up”…I don’t like how they look as they get weathered…I don’t like all the wind noise and buffeting when the top is down and you are driving at anything more than a moderate speed. I also don’t like the inherent performance limitations you get in a vehicle when it’s a convertible. If you want a car you will only drive for fun and when the weather is sunny a convertible is ok but if you want maximum performance, a true hardtop is the only way to go…except….

A T-top is sort of the best of both worlds.

When “hard-top” performance is needed (or you simply want to drive at speed) then you can leaven the tops in…if you are just out for a drive and want the open-air feeling, you take them out. Weathering really isn’t an issue and if the design is good, no one looking at the car will ever realize it has T-Tops unless they look very close or the tops are out.

I’m not sure that I wouldn’t buy a fifth-generation only because of the lack of a T-top but it would definitely have an impact on my decision. A removable hard-top would be a nice alternative although still not my personal preference.

I guess what I’m saying is that a T-Top option IS very important to a lot of people and I suggest that GM would be making a mistake to produce a Camaro without their availability.
Old 02-15-2006 | 02:27 PM
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A convertible for me as well.



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