View Poll Results: Should the mid-level 5th gen engine be a V6 or a V8?
It should be a 5.3 V8, making 325-350hp
131
71.98%
It should be a V6, making 325-350hp
13
7.14%
Who cares what it is, so long as the power is right for its niche?
27
14.84%
I don't care, I won't buy one either way...
11
6.04%
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Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
03-14-2006 | 10:35 AM
#106
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Re: Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
Originally Posted by smackkk
I have 3 cars full coverage with above minimum liability coverage and its only $180 for all 3 per month. Married, 30+, and homeowners policy.
Back on subject, I will be a little disappointed if the only option is a 5.3L app 325hp V8 for $27kish or a high end super V8 for $40kish. I guess the 400hp for the GTO has me spoiled.
Back on subject, I will be a little disappointed if the only option is a 5.3L app 325hp V8 for $27kish or a high end super V8 for $40kish. I guess the 400hp for the GTO has me spoiled.
I have a 05 Titan, a 04 Vibe and a 06 Charger. I do have full coverage on everything with a $100 deductable.
03-14-2006 | 10:41 AM
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Re: Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
Originally Posted by smackkk
I have 3 cars full coverage with above minimum liability coverage and its only $180 for all 3 per month. Married, 30+, and homeowners policy.
Back on subject, I will be a little disappointed if the only option is a 5.3L app 325hp V8 for $27kish or a high end super V8 for $40kish. I guess the 400hp for the GTO has me spoiled.
Back on subject, I will be a little disappointed if the only option is a 5.3L app 325hp V8 for $27kish or a high end super V8 for $40kish. I guess the 400hp for the GTO has me spoiled.
The GN, Z28, and Bonneville all have full coverage policies with $500 at-fault deductibles (I owe nothing if it's not my fault). The Regal has PLPD (personal liability and property damage, the minimum coverage in Michigan) with the same deductible. I pay less than $2000/year for car insurance.
03-14-2006 | 10:44 AM
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Re: Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
Originally Posted by JakeRobb
I'm married, 25, with a renter's policy with the same company that does my car insurance. They'll be doing my homeowner's policy when I close on my new house next week.
The GN, Z28, and Bonneville all have full coverage policies with $500 at-fault deductibles (I owe nothing if it's not my fault). The Regal has PLPD (personal liability and property damage, the minimum coverage in Michigan) with the same deductible. I pay less than $2000/year for car insurance.
The GN, Z28, and Bonneville all have full coverage policies with $500 at-fault deductibles (I owe nothing if it's not my fault). The Regal has PLPD (personal liability and property damage, the minimum coverage in Michigan) with the same deductible. I pay less than $2000/year for car insurance.
I also pay more due to $150 at fault.
03-14-2006 | 10:47 AM
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Re: Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
JakeRobb, you have some really good points and i think i actually agree with you totally. I may be wrong but i think the LS2 engine has been produced long enough to where GM could produce them for pretty cheap. So i still stand on my prediction that any middle model (mustang competitor) camaro would be a detuned 6.0 liter engine. (now whether it is detuned by 10 horsepower or 52 horsepower is anybody's guess)
This could cut the design and engineering costs considerably since essentially the same powertrain could be used for everything above the V6. (I dont know much about car production but this makes sense to me)
That way, a top end camaro can be highly tuned for an easy 60+ hp gain over the middle model (along with brake, suspension, appearance upgrades). So in the end, hard core enthusiast get there hardcore camaro. The affordably priced middle camaro will still be able to stomp mustangs (and most other coupes in the price range) all day long, yet still have alot of potential for the ever growing tuner crowd. And of course save a feisty V6 for the bread winner.
This could cut the design and engineering costs considerably since essentially the same powertrain could be used for everything above the V6. (I dont know much about car production but this makes sense to me)
That way, a top end camaro can be highly tuned for an easy 60+ hp gain over the middle model (along with brake, suspension, appearance upgrades). So in the end, hard core enthusiast get there hardcore camaro. The affordably priced middle camaro will still be able to stomp mustangs (and most other coupes in the price range) all day long, yet still have alot of potential for the ever growing tuner crowd. And of course save a feisty V6 for the bread winner.
03-14-2006 | 10:56 AM
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Re: Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
Originally Posted by falchulk
I also pay more due to $150 at fault.
Low deductibles are rarely worth it.
Take, for instance, my homeowner's insurance. For $450/year, I can have a $1000 deductible, or for $550/year, I can have a $500 deductible. So that's $100 more per year for a deductible $500 lower. It would take me five years to save $500 on insurance premiums, so paying for the lower deductible is the same as me betting that I'm going to be making a claim more often than once every five years.
Since this is my first house and I didn't have any personal experience to base this on, I checked with a bunch of people. My parents have owned various houses since about 1970. My in-laws have been in the same house for 35 years. My insurance agent has owned his house 18 years. Not one of them has ever made a claim against their insurance.
The house I'm buying is on high ground, so I don't have to worry about flooding. It's in Michigan, so hurricanes, earthquakes, etc. aren't an issue. Tornadoes come around once in a while, but they are infrequent and very focused, so the odds of it actually being a problem at my house are extremely low. Ditto for lightning. Crime is very low here. Basically, the only reason to have the insurance is for the peace of mind and to make the mortgage company happy.
So after looking at everything, I decided to go with the higher deductible. I can invest the $500/year and turn it into even more money.
03-14-2006 | 12:49 PM
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Re: Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
Originally Posted by Fbodfather
OK.........next poll..........
For those of you who voted for the V8........how many of you would BUY the 5.3???
For those of you who voted for the V8........how many of you would BUY the 5.3???
03-14-2006 | 01:02 PM
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Re: Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
Originally Posted by RussStang
Obviously I cannot prove anything, seeing the car doesn't exist yet, but I would bet very large sums of money that if the 5th gen comes out with a 5.3 making 325-350hp, it will not run with a 4th gen, especially from a stop. Big bucks on the IRS hurting the 5th gens launch compared to a 4th gen, and even if the car weighs 3600lbs (not sounding likely unless we are talking about v6s here) it is still going to have a worse power to weight. I don't know what you think a 4th gen weighs, but the v8 coupes come in at anywhere from 3350-3400lbs, depending on options. A car that is 200lbs heavier, with roughly the same peak power (assuming the 5.3 makes 350hp, even though everyone else was talking 325 earlier), launching on an IRS, is not going to outrun a 4th gen. Sorry. There is a reason that the LS1 GTOs run behind the LS1 F-Bodies.
Your GXP is not a Camaro, it is a Grand Prix. There is nothing wrong with the 5.3, I just don't think we should see it as a mid level motor in a present day Camaro, ever.I am all for a mid level v8, as long as it is making close to 400 horses. If there was to be some kind of base 325hp v8 offered that can just be dumped into the crappy v6 to keep it cheap, that is fine with me. I do NOT want to see a mid-level Camaro, priced at the pricepoint of a Mustang GT, making Mustang GT power levels. I still have not heard one bit of good evidence besides people's internet heresay that the 4th gen's power levels had anything to do with the car's death. GM has an advantage over Ford with their much superior powertrains, and I see absolutely no sane reason as to why not play that ace. Mark my words, if we see a 400hp 5th gen at the Mustang GT's price, we will see GM advertise the hell out of it.
I am glad you like your LT1, and it was plenty fast enough for its day. In the present day though, I would imagine there are many ethusiasts out there whose hunger would not be sated by a 275hp v8. I know mine wouldn't.
Your GXP is not a Camaro, it is a Grand Prix. There is nothing wrong with the 5.3, I just don't think we should see it as a mid level motor in a present day Camaro, ever.I am all for a mid level v8, as long as it is making close to 400 horses. If there was to be some kind of base 325hp v8 offered that can just be dumped into the crappy v6 to keep it cheap, that is fine with me. I do NOT want to see a mid-level Camaro, priced at the pricepoint of a Mustang GT, making Mustang GT power levels. I still have not heard one bit of good evidence besides people's internet heresay that the 4th gen's power levels had anything to do with the car's death. GM has an advantage over Ford with their much superior powertrains, and I see absolutely no sane reason as to why not play that ace. Mark my words, if we see a 400hp 5th gen at the Mustang GT's price, we will see GM advertise the hell out of it.
I am glad you like your LT1, and it was plenty fast enough for its day. In the present day though, I would imagine there are many ethusiasts out there whose hunger would not be sated by a 275hp v8. I know mine wouldn't.
1) If a BASE car, in '08, is able to have acceleration at OR NEAR a FLAGSHIP V8 model from 2002, WTF is the matter with that? If the buyer has the option to go 0-60 in low 5s (what else does that besides a Mustang GT, the dead SRT-4 or a WRX????) for $25k, AND be able to get 33 MPG with it??? The Mustang gets only 25 currently with the same power level! WTF is the matter with ANY of that?
2) I didn't say a 275hp (BTW, I have a '97...its 285, thanks...) V8 IS appropriate for 2008. BUT, again, a base model that could power its way 0-60 faster than 5.5 seconds is deemed inferior around here? Gimme a break...
3) The "crappy V6" model is going to be the volume seller, my friend. All I've advocated from the beginning was a $1,000-12,00 V8 engine option on top of that "crappy V6" model...it could sell for even less than a Mustang GT, maybe? Again, WTF is the matter with that?
4) Personally, I'd like to see GM be able to make a little $$$ on this car, so I DON'T advocate a 425hp car for $25k in today's dollars. The more $$ they make, the better the car will be overall. The more models we'll get. Maybe more special editions? Think like a beancounter here for a second. If I can offer a 325-350hp car at OR LESS THAN the Mustang GT, make it BETTER with better MPG or other items, THEN offer my 425hp car for $29k or so...isn't that smarter? People will still pay $29k for the 425hp car...why wouldn't they? But again, if you could get a DECENT V8 for $25k or lower (as I'm advocating)...
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS WHINING ABOUT?????????
03-14-2006 | 01:03 PM
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Re: Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
Well, it's also very likely the the Camaro's low level V8 will be a lower output version(about 350 HP) of the LS2 V8. And the V6, may be the 3.6L(about 260HP).
03-14-2006 | 01:06 PM
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Re: Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
Originally Posted by Fbodfather
OK.........next poll..........
For those of you who voted for the V8........how many of you would BUY the 5.3???
For those of you who voted for the V8........how many of you would BUY the 5.3???
I want/need a Camaro priced like a Mustang GT with the same or better attributes. I DO NOT WANT A V6. Many others do not either, but WANT A V8. This is a Camaro, not a G6. Many buyers just want a damn V8, but don't want to pay SS level prices to get it. With all due respect, I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for some to grasp. When I had 75 year old ladies spend $4k more to get a 2002 Formula JUST TO GET A V8 (and were mad as hell about it, too), do people on here really want to tell me a cheap, economical V8 is a bad idea??
With all due repsect Scott, you need a V8 at or less than a Mustang GT...otherwise, you're losing sales.
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03-14-2006 | 01:07 PM
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Re: Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
Anyone here want to venture a guess as to why 39,000 of the 70,000 '92 Camaros sold were 305 TBI RSs?? Or is someone going to tell me that's irrelevant in this day and age??? 
03-14-2006 | 01:08 PM
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Re: Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
Originally Posted by krj-1168
Well, it's also very likely the the Camaro's low level V8 will be a lower output version(about 350 HP) of the LS2 V8. And the V6, may be the 3.6L(about 260HP).
03-14-2006 | 01:31 PM
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Re: Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
Originally Posted by Fbodfather
OK.........next poll..........
For those of you who voted for the V8........how many of you would BUY the 5.3???
For those of you who voted for the V8........how many of you would BUY the 5.3???
Not the right place to ask this question. I don't have to tell you the obvious, which is this site is not a representative sample of the typical buyer.
How many of US would buy it vs. how many non-enthusiasts would buy it?
I thought rule #1 was that this can't be an Enthusiast-only car, or it risks the same fate as the last car.
03-14-2006 | 01:32 PM
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Re: Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
Originally Posted by Jason E
With all due respect, I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for some to grasp. When I had 75 year old ladies spend $4k more to get a 2002 Formula JUST TO GET A V8 (and were mad as hell about it, too), do people on here really want to tell me a cheap, economical V8 is a bad idea??
With all due repsect Scott, you need a V8 at or less than a Mustang GT...otherwise, you're losing sales.
With all due repsect Scott, you need a V8 at or less than a Mustang GT...otherwise, you're losing sales.
03-14-2006 | 02:54 PM
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Re: Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
Originally Posted by Jason E
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS WHINING ABOUT?????????
The "crappy V6" model is going to be the volume seller, my friend. All I've advocated from the beginning was a $1,000-12,00 V8 engine option on top of that "crappy V6" model...it could sell for even less than a Mustang GT, maybe? Again, WTF is the matter with that
Maybe more special editions?
When I had 75 year old ladies spend $4k more to get a 2002 Formula JUST TO GET A V8 (and were mad as hell about it, too), do people on here really want to tell me a cheap, economical V8 is a bad idea??
03-14-2006 | 03:00 PM
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Re: Time to vote...should the "mid-level" engine be a V6 or a V8??
Originally Posted by falchulk
Again, you are looking at a 4.5 or lower to 60 and about a 12.5 1/4 mile. Most non entusiats will be scare to death of that kind of power. Think about when you take someone out the first time in a ls1.........