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Old 02-12-2006 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray86IROC

From what I've seen people writing GM has gotten a huge amount of positive feedback from all types on this thing. Seems like Mr. Settlemire stated it was a huge success, rivaling most any concept they've put out. ...
I believe they said it got a bigger response than ANY car they've put out, including the Corvette.
Old 02-13-2006 | 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray86IROC
If you look at it sitting next to a 69 the new Camaro looks wayyyy more aggressive and sporty, in fact it really makes the 69 look old and plain...




yeah I noticed they said the same crap in the video... It should be noted that the ZL1 great as it was, was an X44. It was a base car by definition with a huge engine and was supposed to be plain. That particular one even having the ugly dog dish center caps the ZL1s got, and chrome sharkgill delete. A good reason for why this was done to an icon with not so much as badges I have not heard. Now if you set the 69 Z28 posted earlier, with the racing stripes, front spoiler, painted front bumper, and blacked out grille, Z28 badges, Chrome sharkgills, Rally Wheels and still thought it was plain youd need psychiatic care.



Either they were trying to make the new concept look great at the 69's expense and said it knowing this anyway, or just didnt know. Its a great concept they didnt need to say that...

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Old 02-13-2006 | 05:36 AM
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The front needs work alright but not for the reasons posted. The grill is just terrible and the whole bumper could look better.

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Old 02-13-2006 | 11:22 AM
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Are some of you people who make these threads on some serious drugs?
Old 02-13-2006 | 11:30 AM
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ugh, why do kris horton's designs come up time and time again? They look horrible. It's like Hot Wheels did some consulting work for him or something. They're entirely too cartoon-y.

The Camaro Concept is an outstanding vehicle, and a more than worthy successor to the Camaro heritage.
Old 02-13-2006 | 11:43 AM
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BTW - aerodynamically speaking, the center of the hood is about the worst damned place on the car to put what is hoped to be a functional scoop... I imagine facing them backwards inside the trunk would be worse... but not by much.

Given the more sloped front ends of modern cars, the center of the hood isn't as bad as it used to be... but it still isn't ideal.

"Cowl Induction" systems were on the cowl because they actually work there.
Old 02-13-2006 | 11:50 AM
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ugh, why do kris horton's designs come up time and time again? They look horrible. It's like Hot Wheels did some consulting work for him or something. They're entirely too cartoon-y.

The Camaro Concept is an outstanding vehicle, and a more than worthy successor to the Camaro heritage.
I know - seriously! It was cool because at the time there were no other concepts, but damn it is ****in ugly. Especially compared to the real concept. People let it die already.
Old 02-15-2006 | 11:11 PM
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All I gotta say to this guy is..yes

Try again cus 99.9% of what you said is WRONG pal...
won best of show at the 2006 NAIAS?? yea most people hate it??
Old 02-16-2006 | 10:07 PM
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Ok seriously, you guys were probably drooling all over Kris's renderings when they first started circulating. Don't give me that "there wasn't anything else at the time" bs either, if it had looked like cr@p it would have been labeled that whether there was anything else around or not. Sure after 3+ years they are showing their age, but that does not make them bad. Also keep in mind that Kris was 19 when he did those, was going to school, and did them for fun. He has come a long way since then.



Even with that aside, you guys try to design something better. I like the Camaro Concept, I like it a lot, but there is no reason to rip on Kris's early versions.

Sorry I had to vent.

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Old 02-16-2006 | 10:26 PM
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I dont think anyone is picking on them..but they are 3 years old..when they came out it was a WOW factor..and yes they are awsome..

BUT

remember when Terminator 2 came out and we were like WOW the CGI is awsome..then Star Wars came out with really nice CGI thats lightyears ahead of T2..same kinda idea..
we say CH design and its was like WOW awsome..but after 3 years, its still a great car, but you gotta look at it with the real 5th gen concept now staring at you.
Old 02-16-2006 | 10:27 PM
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and on top of it yes there wasnt anything like it at the time, he was one of a few that actually knew how to make what he made with that software. It was new and exciting to see a "real" car out of imagination, no one was doing it really before him..thats how he got his name really.
Old 02-17-2006 | 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Caps94ZODG
I dont think anyone is picking on them..but they are 3 years old..when they came out it was a WOW factor..and yes they are awsome..

BUT

remember when Terminator 2 came out and we were like WOW the CGI is awsome..then Star Wars came out with really nice CGI thats lightyears ahead of T2..same kinda idea..
we say CH design and its was like WOW awsome..but after 3 years, its still a great car, but you gotta look at it with the real 5th gen concept now staring at you.
I am pretty sure you just said the same thing I just said .

Anyway, I have just been seeing a lot more people say that they are "ugly" or "crap" and/or that they are sick of seeing them. I understand that many people just like the real concept better, I do too, from what he has posted Kris likes it better also. It is good that people like the real one better. Though I would seriously question the employment of those professional designers if they were not able to design a better Camaro than a 19yr old that was going to school 3+ years ago. It just irritates when people don't say "I like the Camaro Concept better than that one" and instead say
It was cool because at the time there were no other concepts, but damn it is ****in ugly. Especially compared to the real concept.
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Well, back on subject. So let me get this straight nova70zz4. You don't like that it is angular, you don't like the grill, you don't want the nose to be plastic, or all three?

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Old 02-17-2006 | 09:16 AM
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uh, i never liked Horton's "concepts". i'll agree, he's extremely talented, no doubt. but I never liked how his concept looked.
Old 02-17-2006 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by PacerX
BTW - aerodynamically speaking, the center of the hood is about the worst damned place on the car to put what is hoped to be a functional scoop... I imagine facing them backwards inside the trunk would be worse... but not by much.

Given the more sloped front ends of modern cars, the center of the hood isn't as bad as it used to be... but it still isn't ideal.

"Cowl Induction" systems were on the cowl because they actually work there.

Exactly, butttttt..........the leading edge of the hood on most cars is also a pressurized area. Where the concept has its scoop technically is not a bad place at all.......aero depending!
Old 02-17-2006 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray86IROC
From what I've seen people writing GM has gotten a huge amount of positive feedback from all types on this thing. Seems like Mr. Settlemire stated it was a huge success, rivaling most any concept they've put out. I believe you've got it wrong...
Obviously a Troll. He hasn't even responded to his own thread he posted 5 days ago...



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