What Can The Z/28 Be
07-23-2008 | 06:17 PM
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They didn't, really. There are endless debates on which is the "top" car the SS or the Z/28 and I think that there's arguments to be made both ways, but if you look at the first gen. look at the equipment that you got with the Z/28 Vs. the equipment you got with the SS package. The Z/28 is a far more comprehensive package.
07-23-2008 | 06:22 PM
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IMO- If GM makes a Vett Killer package, it will be a very limited edition and most of us won't hear about it until it's already sold out. It doesn't make good buisness sense to compete with yourself.
07-23-2008 | 06:24 PM
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YEP....
In first gens, Z28 was higher on the totem pole than the SS. In my opinion, GM is taking back the way it should be....
Someone on this forum said it before...
All Chevrolets can be an SS
, only the Camaro can be a Z/28
......
In first gens, Z28 was higher on the totem pole than the SS. In my opinion, GM is taking back the way it should be....
Someone on this forum said it before...
All Chevrolets can be an SS
, only the Camaro can be a Z/28......
07-23-2008 | 06:26 PM
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07-23-2008 | 06:37 PM
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So did you determine this after taking a test drive of the 201X Z/28 or after reviewing the spec sheet? I'm not ready to make this pronouncement until I hear that there even will be a Z/28 and what it will entail...
07-23-2008 | 06:40 PM
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Say this out loud with me: "The Camaro weighs 800 LBS more than a Corvette."
If they used the slogan nowadays I'd sue for false advertising.
The new slogan should be:
"The Camaro: Pretty ***king far from a Corvette."
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07-23-2008 | 07:10 PM
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They didn't, really. There are endless debates on which is the "top" car the SS or the Z/28 and I think that there's arguments to be made both ways, but if you look at the first gen. look at the equipment that you got with the Z/28 Vs. the equipment you got with the SS package. The Z/28 is a far more comprehensive package.
I didn't think the the Z/28 was top or bottom anything, I thought it was designed to homologate the Camaro for racing for the 1st gen cars, afterwhich I suppose it became the top dog Camaro
07-23-2008 | 07:10 PM
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07-23-2008 | 07:40 PM
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Please consider responding to this thread. A little focus can't hurt.
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=622651
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=622651
07-24-2008 | 02:28 AM
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The Z28 should be essentially a new version of the 1-LE package.
To be honest, I am appalled at the idea the Z28 was going to be a high priced GT500 competitor. An overpowered, extremely limited production monstrosity for well off Camaro fans and collectors for car shows, occasional track runs, and climate controled garages. What I found even more appalling was so many people who would never have one bemoaning the idea that it might not reach production. This type of car IS NOT a Z28.... and it never was!
The Z28 should be what it's history and heritage has almost always been: a quick car at home on a race course. Basically what the 1LE was later.
Not only special suspension rates, but power steering coolers, brake cooling systems, special handling parts, a tougher rear end, upgraded brakes, things that enable you to take it to a course and really go to town without something breaking, overheating, or falling off, or costing more than a few grand as a package.
If GM were to create a LSA powered Camaro, charge $40K+ for it, make less than 5K per year, all combined to virturally ensure not only dealer scalping but rarity on par with proven Elvis sightings, it should be called ZL1. That model designation's history would be dead on.
To be honest, I am appalled at the idea the Z28 was going to be a high priced GT500 competitor. An overpowered, extremely limited production monstrosity for well off Camaro fans and collectors for car shows, occasional track runs, and climate controled garages. What I found even more appalling was so many people who would never have one bemoaning the idea that it might not reach production. This type of car IS NOT a Z28.... and it never was!
The Z28 should be what it's history and heritage has almost always been: a quick car at home on a race course. Basically what the 1LE was later.
Not only special suspension rates, but power steering coolers, brake cooling systems, special handling parts, a tougher rear end, upgraded brakes, things that enable you to take it to a course and really go to town without something breaking, overheating, or falling off, or costing more than a few grand as a package.
If GM were to create a LSA powered Camaro, charge $40K+ for it, make less than 5K per year, all combined to virturally ensure not only dealer scalping but rarity on par with proven Elvis sightings, it should be called ZL1. That model designation's history would be dead on.
07-24-2008 | 03:32 AM
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Why? The Camaro already has a lightweight alloy hood.
Compared to what? Have we even seen (decent) photos of the SS yet?
Again. Compared to what wheels that aren't lightweight on the SS?
Given.
That remains to be seen. The Nurburgring numbers for the SS prove this is no slouch. (And remember that car wasn't completely "tuned" yet.)
That would suck compared to the production seats.
Rice; unless a roll bar is included.
Rice; what purpose do they serve?
Better than the Brembos on the SS?
GM has alread said a CAI and CAT back exhaust will be available as dealer options. Headers? No flippin' way... not on a modern production car.
If they're going to do a rollbar (and I'm not saying they should), why not a weld in one?
Not as much as you think, but more than what you have covered.
Compared to what? Have we even seen (decent) photos of the SS yet?
Again. Compared to what wheels that aren't lightweight on the SS?
Given.
That remains to be seen. The Nurburgring numbers for the SS prove this is no slouch. (And remember that car wasn't completely "tuned" yet.)
That would suck compared to the production seats.
Rice; unless a roll bar is included.
Rice; what purpose do they serve?
Better than the Brembos on the SS?
GM has alread said a CAI and CAT back exhaust will be available as dealer options. Headers? No flippin' way... not on a modern production car.
If they're going to do a rollbar (and I'm not saying they should), why not a weld in one?
Not as much as you think, but more than what you have covered.
PLEASE RE READ MY POST MOST OF THAT STUFF WAS WITH THE IDEA OF DEALER INSTALLED STUFF. Due to comments that there would be no Z28 model.
Basically all the stuff you think is just fine with the car might not be fine to someone trying to win races.
about the hood. Metal is heavier than fiberglass.
Pedal pads give better grip on the pedals than the usual crappy rubber.
I don't care what the SS looks like all the things I suggest save the stripes have a function. Not just to looks good. A more aggressive spoiler doesnt mean a huge triple decker ironing board you see on hondas. I want more aggressive downforce and less drag.
The cage would be bolted in so Dorks at dealerships don't burn cars down trying to weld one in.
Seat belts/racing harnesses do more than just look cool they hold you in the car so you don't die. They also keep your body from sliding around in the seats when flying around corners.
Recaros would suck compared to production seats? based on what? I am pretty sure recaros are lighter and more secure than production seats made for fat people.
Yes better brakes than brembos. Maybe carbon for the rich people or 6 piston fronts. Maybe some monobloc calipers. something hardcore.
The Z28 in my mind should be the autocrosser or road racer. Therfore the suspension could allways be improved/tuned. Ever compared a GT3 Porsche to the standard Carerra?
Dymag wheels are pretty light. I doubt the Camaro will be sporting those.
Headers would be installed at the dealer. Or not it was just an idea!
I guess by your comments you would leave yours totally stock?
I want my Z28 to be a street legal racer. Stock isn't good enough. It never is.
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07-24-2008 | 10:35 AM
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I guess Chevy should have just engineered the 2010 Camaro off of their small RWD compact...oh, wait, they don't have one like they did in 1963 to use as the basis for Camaro development.
You're angry, I understand, but I'll take the Camaro we have vs. no Camaro.