What concerns do you have about the next Camaro?
#49
http://www.automochatter.com/forum/s...=4087#post4087
I have lots. But here are my top 3.
Size: The production car will creep up in size compared to the concept. Too bad it couldn't stay the same size or slightly smaller.
Weight: Let's face it, the Camaro is based off of the large car, (heavy), Zeta architecture. I've been told by more than one high level person, that weight targets for this car will satisfy me. I've been told by others however, that no way they'll meet those targets. We'll see, I've got my fingers crossed.
Cowl height: Zeta is a big honkin' sedan architecture - with a big honkin' cowl height. It appears that this cowl height will remain unaltered for the Camaro. Kinda sucks if you ask me. The new Hot Rod magazine has a shot of the Camaro convertible concept next to Reggie Jackson's '69 Camaro. The new one's cowl height almost makes it look like an SUV next to the '69.
Any other concerns out there?
I have lots. But here are my top 3.
Size: The production car will creep up in size compared to the concept. Too bad it couldn't stay the same size or slightly smaller.
Weight: Let's face it, the Camaro is based off of the large car, (heavy), Zeta architecture. I've been told by more than one high level person, that weight targets for this car will satisfy me. I've been told by others however, that no way they'll meet those targets. We'll see, I've got my fingers crossed.
Cowl height: Zeta is a big honkin' sedan architecture - with a big honkin' cowl height. It appears that this cowl height will remain unaltered for the Camaro. Kinda sucks if you ask me. The new Hot Rod magazine has a shot of the Camaro convertible concept next to Reggie Jackson's '69 Camaro. The new one's cowl height almost makes it look like an SUV next to the '69.
Any other concerns out there?
I think you said it. The car is just too big. Even the concept is big. Put it next to a 4th gen and you will see that the 5th gen is higher and not much shorter.
Secondly the rear overhang makes the car look odd and off-balance. These are all factors that will affect sales enormously in today's market where there are so many choices.
It was the tremendous folly of the GM executives to choose to build a large RWD platform over a smaller one, even when considering the Impala, etc. But they think they know better, so...
Price is not a big factor for me. I don't want the SS to be a bargain-basement junk box, so I'm not going to press the issue. I want a good solid car and if I pay $5000 more off the lot then so be it. Just don't build another disaster like the LT1 cars.
Last edited by Dwarf Killer; 09-22-2007 at 08:32 AM.
#52
Weight, weight, weight...did I say weight. Over 3700 I will not buy it, I will go back and buy a late 4th gen auto for the drags. I really would like to see it weigh in at 3500lbs... That would make my year!!! I already have a C6 for the twisties..In need of a street/strip car...
#53
Weight, weight, weight...did I say weight. Over 3700 I will not buy it, I will go back and buy a late 4th gen auto for the drags. I really would like to see it weigh in at 3500lbs... That would make my year!!! I already have a C6 for the twisties..In need of a street/strip car...
#54
I am concerned about the base price for a V8 model being too high. In 2002, you could get one for $22k. '08 Mustang GT base price is $25,840. I'm hoping that the base V8 Camaro comes in under that. I think a big reason that Mustang has traditionally outsold Camaro is that Mustang has traditionally been just a little bit cheaper for a similarly-equipped car.
All my concerns are covered. But I still want one
#55
To you, sure. To me, too. Unfortunately, people like us make up a tiny fraction of the car-buying market. The average buyer doesn't care about IRS vs LRA, and the average buyer probably thinks 300hp is more than enough and won't care about (or worse, will be scared off by) 400hp.
#57
This is a good point. The 1st gen cars were far better than any car since for tall people. The seats used to move back far enough to have decent leg room, and there was lots of elbow space. It's really just a matter of making a seat that can go lower and further back.
#59
Echoing the concerns of others and as I've stated many times.....
I'm concerned about weight, the sheer size of the car and being able to get it optioned the way I want it (in other words... NOT loaded).
Explain please.
If the seats are made to be lower, the car will fail to catch on with new buyers and sales will be limited to us "enthusiasts".
Some of the biggest complaints regarding the 3rd and 4th gens (bought one of each new) is that they are a pain to get in and out of and are uncomfortable on longer trips. Those cars had relatively low roofs with seats practically on the floor. This of course results in awkward entry / egress and having your legs splayed out on the floor in front of you.
The first gens (owned one of those too) have probably the same or lesser range of available fore / aft seat movement. If they are perceived to be more roomy and comfortable than the other gens, it is because the seating position is much more upright and off the floor with the taller roofline.
This is exactly what they are doing with the new car and it is a major reason why Mustang had superior sales numbers all those years.
I'm concerned about weight, the sheer size of the car and being able to get it optioned the way I want it (in other words... NOT loaded).
Explain please.
Some of the biggest complaints regarding the 3rd and 4th gens (bought one of each new) is that they are a pain to get in and out of and are uncomfortable on longer trips. Those cars had relatively low roofs with seats practically on the floor. This of course results in awkward entry / egress and having your legs splayed out on the floor in front of you.
The first gens (owned one of those too) have probably the same or lesser range of available fore / aft seat movement. If they are perceived to be more roomy and comfortable than the other gens, it is because the seating position is much more upright and off the floor with the taller roofline.
This is exactly what they are doing with the new car and it is a major reason why Mustang had superior sales numbers all those years.