I think it's a little unfair to compare prices from 2002. At that point all the tooling and engineering was long paid off and GM was just trying to keep the assembly line running for as long as possible. They weren't really actively marketing the F-Bodies.

 

If 90 bucks a month makes it a lot easier to buy the Stang over the SS, then
it's probably not a good time to buy a car.

 

Face it guys... The fact is that the many of us bought the car when it was "cheaper" and the economy was up for it. Right now, we know it WILL be extremely hard to finance one.

Here in PR w/ taxes the car will weigh in at $42k for a 2SS. Add to that.. INSURANCE and an easy 7.5% apr and you have a payment offf..... rolling drums.....~$800 a month.... FOR 6 YEARS!

I mean.. you are going to pay... $800/MONTH on a car right now????

Either that.. or you have to have around $10k to lower it at a decent payment and/or wait for a 0% incentive.

Don't get me wrong... its not too high a price for what it is... problem is... WE are unable to afford it right now.

 

i didn't pull anything out of thin air, I used real times that have been on the net for a while. I negotiated my car and used my Camaro legends Tour $1k rebate on my car I purchased in 02 and it ran a similar time in the quarter mile to what we are told the new car runs. The new Camaro is going to be MSRP for a while so it is $13k more than what I paid and my car had leather so add another $2k to the new car for that. The Cobalt weighs 2950lb's, the Camaro SS weighs 3850lb's. Cobalt ran a lap 1 second slower than the V8 Camaro on the Nurinburg ring. If the Camro ran a really great time on it don't you think they would have come out with it by now? I haven't embelished anything and the new Stage kit for the Cobalt will give it 55hp more with a factory warranty and 30mpg. Where did I lie? Where did I embelish?

 

We need to compare MSRP to MSRP. I just ordered a 1SS. I wanted the 2SS but I wanted to keep the payments down. I was dissappointed with the base SS price. But you gotta take into consideration right now we're having to pay MSRP. MSRP is never a good deal. I mean honestly, I wouldnt be happy with prices for the Cobalt or vette if I were paying MSRP. So its my decision, Pay MSRP and get it ASAP, or wait and pay invoice or whatever. I chose to get it quicker. $26K for a mustang GT??? what year? cause that is not a new one's MSRP. I do think that some of the 2SS people may go with a used c6 with 15k miles or so. I thought about it. I also see where it may be smart for GM, I mean the price is a little higher than I wanted to pay, but its not so high that Im not gonna get it....... I see both sides on this one. And this is not a directed at any one person, cause whatever you point is, I can see where you're coming from.... And the Nurburgring Lap times are on Wikipedia if ya'll wanna check them out. the maro did 8:20(not listed on the times). Cobalt 8:22. Not sure if the Camaro time is a myth, just what i read some where.

 

No accusations were implied, But some data that is out there is not known to possibly not be accurate or complete.

I got a Legends Tour rebate on mine as well, now that you mention it. I hear ya, but if my Dad owns a dealership (which he doesn't, I am sorry to say), and I got my 2002 for $1.00, I cannot use that as a fair comparison to what the sticker is on the 2010. People need to compare sticker to sticker, not deal for sticker.

That might be true while not yet confirmed as no 2010 Camaro has been down a drag strip to anyone's knowledge (I think the numbers out there now are only estimates), but MSRP doesn't reflect 1/4 mile times alone. It has to account for all the other things that go along with it that the 2002 Camaro nor the 2010 Cobalt doesn't have or is offered. I know that doesn't interest some, but the whole "appealing to the widest audience" thing comes into play.

Seriously, has that number been confirmed? I am really asking, I have seen conflicting reports on the accuracy of it in itself, despite the conditions when the test was performed. Just wondering if anyone has gotten any true confirmation.

No, and here's why...the car isn't done! They are still tweaking it as we speak. Let's wait until it is done and production ready. Put it and the new Cobalt SS on the same track on the same day. I expect the 1 second gap to grow. It might not be as wide of a gap as some might hope for, but I think it will grow. I am not stating facts that it will, I am saying I think it will. I hope we will see soon!

I never said that you lied one bit. I am just saying that someone can't fairy go off numbers that do not yet exist, or are incomplete, or are just hearsay. I believe you about the Cobalt thing and I agree, it is a potent car. I entertained the idea of getting one for a daily driver. Any idea on how much that Stage kit is expected to be?

 

I guess I'm mainly surprised that the pricing wasn't more in line with the 2009 Mustang line-up. Do I still think the 2010 Camaro is a bargain? Absofreakinlutley. I have no problem paying MSRP for what could be the best Camaro ever.

Still I am surprised.

 

No ideas on pricing but it's suppose to only be sensors and the 315hp has been verified by GM sources, the torque number hasn't been released yet. I'm going to be ordering the sedan in the next few weeks if I can get it with the Reconfigurable Performance Display, although I hear you can only get that on the coupe. Most stealth car on the road!

 

whoa whoa whoa...whoa



save it for the podcast

 

I don't really think GM has overpriced the car and I believe it's a reasonable deal. I do have to say that Monday was a kick in the crotch though. I was hoping for v8 vert at $35 or less. I know, I know it was probably unreasonable. However, if this forces me into v6 territory, I'm going to seriously be cross-shopping a used stang/vette for awhile. Really, it's not a question if IF for Camaro, it's when (for me). I may have to wait until I can get one used at those prices ... which sux for GM.

 

Wow, just wow. I understand if some of us are complaining about the price, and that is one thing BUT comparing the Camaro's performance to cars like the Cobalt SS is just ridiculous. Some of you guys need to understand the difference between "overpriced" and "expensive" the new Camaro is far from "overpriced" you definitely get what you pay for AND more. Some of us are in different financial situations, and that's why we complain about prices. I, myself am disappointed because if i go with a loaded 2SS i have no issues dropping another 10k and getting a new 2009 Corvette or a decently loaded 2008 This of course does not apply to everyone else but i can see why it's a disappointment to some members that were very excited about the release of a new Camaro, only to find out they can no longer afford one or they can purchase a somewhat similar for a few thousands cheaper. I just hope there will be some good rebates in the next couple of years that will attract more buyers or make the car more affordable to the general public.

 

For those that are angry with GM for "pricing the car too high", you shouldn't be mad at GM but rather angry with yourself for thinking that you were going to get a fully loaded V8 Camaro for approx. $30k. How could anybody reasonably think that when it was rumored that the V8 was going to start around $30k for almost a year now? That and the purposely overlooked fact that the '02 Camaro went for $32k 8 model years ago. The last 4th gen doesn't even compare in terms of quality compared to the new one. That coupled with inflation puts the Camaro right were it should be.

For those that thought they could swing $32k but can't afford $35k really needs to take another look at their priorities. That's less than $100 difference per month. If you were (are) stretching it that tight then you aren't really in the market for this type of car anyway.

Sure you could go out and buy this theoretical $26k Mustang GT (which it always amuses me when someone wants to compare the price of a base model no options GT to a loaded 1ss or 2ss car) but you are definately getting what you paid for. You can't even really compare "similarly equipped" cars because they don't exist. The current Mustang GT pales in comparison to the new Camaro in terms of quality and amenities. It should though, its working off of a 5 model year old platform. Next year will be marginally better but you have to wait a couple of more years to see what they have planned next. Then if you think that you are going to get one for the same price as the current Mustang then you're forcing yourself down the same misguided path that you took with the Camaro.

Lastly, I find it absurd to compare the Cobalt SS to the Camaro. If you're going to look at these cars from a purely road racing angle and if these performance numbers are true (which coming from the internet, I'm not holding my breath) then I have to ask why you are looking at these two cars in the first place? A brand new car would be the last thing I would purchase to go tear up on a road course. Now, if this was going to be a daily driver with the occasional track meet and you could live with the style and comfort of an econobox (not to take anything away from the Cobalt but it is what it is priced for) then maybe a 1LS is more up your alley. This still gives you more amenities than the Cobalt while closing the cost gap substantially. I mean if you're okay with giving up the second that the SS has over the Cobalt then it shouldn't be a dealbreaker to give up a second to the FWD car while offering more daily driver content.

To complain about the Camaro's pricing and then give inaccurate examples or comparisons isn't helping your cause any. Fact is, this car is priced right for what this car has to offer. If you don't want to pay that much then you want a lesser car, not the Camaro.

 

the horse is already dead...

 

+1

In addition, I find it a little absurd to say "well if the Camaro comes in at $38K, I might as well drop another 10 grand plusand get a Corvette." First, if you price it as $38K, that means you packed near every single option in to the car. Second, you won't get all of those options on a base Corvette. Third, don't talk as if $10K is $200. That is a nice chunk of change. As it has been said several times before, it was alluded to many times that the base V8 would start around $30K.

Which is why I am more than happy to pay just over $35K for very nicely equipped 2SS.

 

Seriously why is anyone dissatisfied with the cost of this car. Comparing it to the Mustang is even a bit of a stretch unless you do what Jason was saying and compare apples to oranges. The current GT is about 300 HP give or take and costs about 28K as compared to a V6 Camaro which starts at 22K...I don't see the problem. You buy a cheaper V6 that makes as much power, has better components everywhere, and gets better fuel econ.
Then there is the SS which optioned out the way most like it at most costs 35-37K...yeah next stop for the Mustang...oh yeah that would be the Shelby coming in at around 46K for base model GT-500.


I am sorry but I just don't see why folks are upset about this car and the price. 430 HP in a 3800lb car. If you will think back to 2003 the Cobra had a rated 380 hp and weighed almost the same and you would think it had hung the moon with how people talked about it. In 2003 to buy a Cobra you were looking at about 36K and that was for a car that had a 25 year old chassis, a terrible IRS, and over all horrid build quality.

In my opinion, and I have alot of them, this car is perfect where it is. It is priced right, and designed to please and manages to do in for under 40K and that is phenomenal.