I would like to take a moment and say I am sorry for complaining about the price of a 1SS Camaro. I just priced out a 09 GT Stang Convertible with the options I wanted and it came to 33,270. Now if I can get the Camaro 1SS for 35K I will gladly pay the little extra to have it. Plus with all the bonus stuff that you cannot get on the Stang. Heck a cloth top was $270 but is standard on the Camaro. After really looking at the 2 closely there is really only a $1500 difference between the 2 cars. The real thing everyone has to look at is all the additional features that we get for that $1500. Irs, 100 more HP, etc.

 

Call me naive, but I don't think this is where most of us thought we'd be:

2010 Camaro SS - 2009 Mustang GT = Difference
$30,995 - $27,570 = $3,425

It is not a matter of IF I will buy a new camaro. It is a matter of WHEN I will purchase it. For all the wonderful people worrying about whether others should be purchasing the car.... enough with the pious chatter. I am sick and tired of the HP comparisons as a justification of price... GM put the LS3/L99 in it because its a heck of a lot CHEAPER than developing a new engine and provides good mpg! We know that the primary drivers for the (surprisingly) higher msrp... This platform no longer has any anticipated siblings, and GM has a hit and needs to make $$, now. That doesn't mean we have to like it! I guess at 26 I am still a bit naive, because I trusted the GM folks that said not to worry b/c it would be in line with the competition.

My utmost concern is not whether I will purchase a new Camaro. It is whether this car may suffer from the same affliction as the last generation... a price point too far above its most direct competition (this decided by consumers as a whole, not you or I).

The first comparison people will do is the one listed at the top of my post, so lets stop sweeping something under the rug that is a FACT.

 

There is no such thing as a 2009 Camaro.

 

Excellent point! I apologize for the oversight (& will correct), but the point remains the same.

 

Right, but some people's point is that you can't compare a 2010 Camaro to a 2009 Mustang. At the very least it should be a 2010 Camaro to a 2010 Mustang. This, however, is not my argument. I'm just pointing out what others have been saying.

 

I think its a lot more car for the money than the mustang. However....the price on the mustang with either drop, or ford will have to offer more incentives on them now that they have legimitate competetion from the camaro. If the price spread gets big enough the mustang might be a better deal for some people until the camaro's start being available at invoice and employee/supplier discount prices like the mustang is. And if this economy keeps going the way it looks from the stock market today the days of invoice price and discounts for the camaro might not be that far off. Things in the financial world seem to be unraveling quickly.

 

The only FACT that matters is that many people were hoping to buy a new Camaro and now GM priced it out of their range. It doesn't matter if it's only marginally more expensive than a 4th gen, or that it technologically superior to the Mustang, or whatever.
When these Camaro hopefuls look at the pricing of the car and their bank account, it just doesn't compute. And that's why these people are upset.
They feel GM should have given more thought about what demographic REALLY wanted the car. They didn't think about the people making $50-75K when pricing the Camaro. And that's why they're upset.

 

A lot of people said that they were promise it would be comparative to the Mustang. Who said that?

Really this car isn't a Camaro in a traditional sense. They could of call this car another name and wouldn't be that big of a deal. However, I felt they wanted to use the name "Camaro" because of the prestige it holds and it is a household name. It really doesn't have anything in common with the previous generations except for some few interior parts, other than that this car doesn't fellow any rules of the 4th gen.

 

And just how much do you think people have been spending for SUVs over the last several years? $35k-$45k, and some of those people will now be buying Camaros. I think many on the various forums need to get realistic about their price expectations, I'd love to see a 2SS at $25,995, but I'm intellegent enough to know that it is not likely to happen in my lifetime. The first two Camaros I ever bought were priced way out of my range at that point in life, so I did what I had to in order to purchase them. You either firure out how to buy the "out of my budget" item or you make do with something that is within your budget, it's really not complicated. The new Camaro IMHO is a real bargain, a lot of features and bang for the buck!
Clyde

 

go drive an LS Camaro with the V6 -- and then put it up against the Mustang GT. (by the way -- the LS lists at $22995-- and then compare what you get STANDARD on the Camaro ----




..........................and I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised.



Yes - we could have done the car 'cheaper' -- but we listened to our customers and made the changes they asked for -- that comes at a price.......

Please -- I understand that you may have been surprised at the pricing -- but please wait until you drive the new Camaro before rendering a final judgement............

 

Important to understand that WE LISTENED to our enthusiasts as we developed this car...........

remember the carrying on about brakes? Well, we did something about it...but Brembo wants paid! (sorry for the sarcasm...long day........)

For those of you upset --

please -- go get the documents we provided to Chris and Jason -- look at the standard equipment on each of the Camaro models -- and then do an apples to apples comparison with a Mustang -- and a Challenger -- and YES -- a Cobalt SS ......

Next: go do a price comparison to a 2002 V6, a 2002 Z28-- and a 2002 SS-- and I think you're going to be surprised............

Yes - we could have made the car cheaper and dropped the price -- but what damage do you do to the brand? I'm not willing to do that - and I don't think most people are.

Yes -- a lot of dealers will be asking MSRP -- but I happen to know of several dealers who are not charging MSRP.........and frankly, after a few months, I think dealers may be inclined to negotiate.............that's simply the law of "supply and demand"

 

Do you know of any that will sell at GMS?

 

The pricing is more than i would like, but is still a pretty good value considering what you get.The v8 camaro has moved up in class, and by doing so it has also gone up in price. It's still a relative bargain, but a different kind now (no longer that cheap bare bones performance car).

The days of the cheap v8's are over . Now a days, a base v8 challenger will cost you 30k, a base v8 camaro 31k, and who knows what the 2010/2011 mustang GT will cost but i'd guess it too will hover around the 30k mark in base form. So times are changing. I think v8's will only get more expensive from here on.

I don't know. @ 26, i'm at a point now where if i'm going to spend 32-36k on a car, my primary concern/need won't be performance but rather luxury. And if i'm going to be spending in the neighborhood of 35k, a CTS/G35/G37/IS/3series might be a better fit for me.

So i guess i'll give the more affordable 3.6L camaro a look, and if i like it that'll be my next car. @ 22k, i think it's a VERY good bargain and by far the most appealing car in its price range. I can afford the 1SS, but its pricing puts it within reach of other cars i'd rather own so buying one new isn't happening. So my only choice on an SS would be to wait and pick up a used example when prices creep under 25k.

 

First, most of the people who bought those $35-45K SUVs & pick-ups had no business buying them. They are so upside down in those things that they'll never dig out. That is one reason we're in such a credit mess right now. And I think a lot of people have learned their lesson with easy credit and will be more careful when getting loans. They won't want to put themselves in a bad situation. So no, those kind of people won't be buying a new Camaro.

Second, I have not seen anyone say that a fully loaded 2SS should be $25-26K. I have seen people say $30-35K for a fully loaded 2SS coupe. Which I too think is a reasonable price.

Third, a lot of people can't find a way to purchase an "out of my budget" item. They should not try to do that nor should they be persuaded to do that. Again, this is what led us to this credit mess.

Last, your last point says it all. Buy something that fits within their budget. And that's what people will do. And it looks like that's the Mustang. Sure it's not nearly as good a car as the Camaro. But in the end, the owner has to pay for it. If he simply cannot afford a Camaro, it won't matter how much better it is, or what whiz-bang technology is in it, or how well it drives. If he can't afford it, he can't afford it. Period. That leaves the less expensive Mustang as a truly viable option. Sorry.

And you're right, it's not complicated. Never said it was.

 

That's a lame excuse. You can't afford a $35k V8 Camaro but you can afford a $32k Mustang GT? Are you overlooking the V6 Camaro that will perform equal if not better than said GT while offering more content and still COST LESS? How much did you actually expect to pay for the new Camaro? And with this magical price did you expect to get the same quality of car that it offered now?

Don't be mad that the car is "too expensive" for you, be mad that you thought that you were going to get a high quality car for econobox prices.

My foots getting sore and the horse is starting to smell. I'm out.