How do you get the GT being slower than a V6 Camaro? A GT does 0-60 in about 5 flat, weighs 200lb's less and makes about the same hp and about 50 ft lb's more torque. Keep dreaming about a V6 beating a GT stock. And i don't think people are mad that the car is too expensive or we thought we'd get it at econocar prices, a lot of us thought it was going to be competitively priced with a GT which is what we have been told for years now. $3-$4k more isn't competitive. and just because people can afford something doesn't mean they want to throw away money for something they don't think is worth the asking price.

 

Oh, I can help you with that! Your foot is sore because you are kicking the watering trough.... when the horse ran away; you were left standing in the dung.

 

On a serious note, it does no good to exaggerate others’ pricing expectations. No individual on this site expected a 1 to 1 price match for a Mustang. IF the MSRP for the 2010 Mustang is within $1000 - $2000 of the 2010 Camaro, then it seems that all the squabbling about price is utterly unfounded and I will profusely apologize for exacerbation of the issue. I am extremely grateful for Scott’s postings in this thread and I completely agree with his points as he stresses that the Camaro is superior to the Mustang in every way including standard features. However, I’ve got to say… people will not be shopping the V6 Camaro to the V8 Mustang except when it comes to MSRP. Also, I highly doubt that Ford is looking to give up its biggest -and only- competitive advantage of pricing with the new model 2010.


I love the car and it is beautiful job well done by the team that transformed concept into a production reality. I will absolutely be purchasing a new one. I’m just trying to play Paul Revere here, “The liberals are coming, the liber”- Oops!… I mean, well, you get the point. I know that there were a ton of other things than just price that killed the recent GTO. It wasn’t content or value that abducted the last F-body; it was considered the best bang for the buck through its last day of production.

I am working to keep my posts on a positive note, and I appreciate the varied perspectives; however, my conscience will not allow me to be silent on this issue.

 

The two points in this post are spot on.


I'd like to add one scenario to this:
There's a guy that's looking at V-8 sports cars. He can afford about $550 per month. One is $38K and the other is $32K. He's really not brand loyal nor is he very car savvy. He just knows he wants a V-8 coupe with a nice sound, some get-up-and-go, and some style.
What's he gonna do? Where's he gonna go?

That's all I'm saying.

 

Add to that the Mustang GT has %0 financing for 60 months right now. 5% with great credit or 0% with great credit. I think a lot of people will be taking the 0% option with Ford. You can negotiate a nicely optioned Mustang Gt down to around $26k easily. Probably less than that.

 

This is exactly what I'm talking about.
I know the Mustang is a far inferior car to the new Camaro, but when you only have X number of dollars to deal with, the pocketbook wins. It doesn't matter how much better the Camaro is.

I'd love to own a Mercedes SL600, but I can't afford it, so I would have to settle for something in my price range. Simple as that.

 

And I say if they are happy with the Mustang GT, then they should go for it. I think many on this board are confusing reasonably priced (looking at how a car is equipped) with econo pricing. And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you just are not going to find a car equipped like the 2SS Camaro (and no comparing to some little POS econo box) from any manufacturer that is priced very much lower than the Camaro. And if you are really convinced that the Camaro is overpriced, then I would suggest that you look at something else to purchase, just make sure you are comparing apples to apples.
Clyde

 

Unfortunately you seem to make a lot of assumptions about who has been buying what and what their financial status was/is. Most of the people that bought SUVs were not financially strapped nor were they buying more than they could afford. Look at any product category from houses to automobiles to computers to big screen TVs to fishing boats, etc., there are a high percentage of people that make the right decisions and buy what is appropriate for their income level. The there are others that are foolish and make bad decisions and most of their purchases are way over what their budget should be. It's not the pricing that is the problem, it is people's buying habits when they don't know how to stay within their budget. So yes, there are a lot of 16-25 year olds (or older) that probably can't realistically afford a 2SS, that's why manufacturers make cars in all kinds of price ranges. Price out a Mustang equipped like the new Camaro (item for item, feature for feature, standard or option to standard or option, I think you'll find the Camaro is not that far away from the Mustang. It does matter how a vehicle is equipped, just because I can get a Mustang "XYZ" for $26,000 does not mean that it is remotely the "same" vehicle as a new Camaro 2SS for $35,000, that is the reality.
Clyde

 

It may draw from both of those markets...people who want better performance than the Mustang, but don't want to pay for a Corvette.

 

Well Stated! What do you expected. GM and Ford Stocks have been hit hard in the past 2 weeks. Mentioning of GM purchasing Ford has been noted. High rates borrowing is a factor. Environmentally, V8's are of the interest for many based on current gas pricing.

The Camaro at $30k is a toy for those who ride single. It's not a family vehicle. The G8 sits 5 comfortably compared to the Camaro 4 that is tight and is priced similar.

The big question is where are you at in life for next 8 years and what can you really afford that will be worth your while. I paid $30,000 total for my 2001 Trans Am that is a 2 + 2 that has sit in my garage for past 7 years.

If you are working at Walmart or MacDonalds, I am more than sure an SS is out of your ballpark, thus giving you aformation to complain.

I have a powerhouse G8 and may consider the Camaro 6 just for the looks. I can do without the glitz of an SS badge though obtaining the driving excitement of the 6 ownership.

I honestly believe that no one will get any incentive in the first production year, such as Rebates, 0% APR, etc. Supply and Demand will show the way after the 2nd year. G8s are not moving as Pontiac like, thus, the incentives were recently in for those vehicles. Gas rate increase hurt G8 sales.

Zoom Zoom

 

Play it safe and purchase the new Cadillac CTS. New Style, Horsepower 6, Luxury, Passenger Room, Priced Right, Proper ride for anyone between 20 and above.. enough said..

 

Well since we are going to get in wad over what the 2010 Camaro costs vs a 2009 Mustang. I might suggest that if you expect the price of the mustang to remain the same after the new body design and features are released then you are mistaken. The Price of the Mustang is going to go up as well, you can bet that the guys going to the dealership looking to buy a new 2010 Mustang are going to be looking at about 33-38K for a new mustang before ADMs.

The Camaro price is fine, if you can't afford one that sucks but unfortunately that is just the way it is. Honestly if you can't afford a 22K v6 then why complain about a 35K SS?
I can vividly remember looking at SS's back in 2002 with 32K window stickers on them...for 3K more 8 model years later I can have a 100 times better car...that is really not that much of a jump.

 

I think Ford can hold the line on pricing reasonably well, the '10 Mustang ('09s are out now and will stop production in december of this year) is pretty much an exterior and interior refresh with chassis tuning based on the current Bullitt (from what I understand) and no major mechanical changes from the previous S-197 car until '11 the powertrain gets updated. I dont see where this is going to drastically increase the pricing on the Mustang (remember again this is a 5 year old chassis - probably mostly or already paid for), then again in '11 its pretty much just a new engine, thanks to the GT500 from the trans back its all parts bin stuff, Ford doesn't need to reinvent the wheel there.

Lol, I like how folks here are trying to e-engineer the Mustang for epic fail (it can't possibly remain lighter than the F5, it can't possibly remain cheaper, Ford can't possibly do a better interior than the current one, if they add power they are gonna have to brace the chassis, ect, ect, ect).

 

For me, the pricing is fine. The perceived value that I will get exceeds the cost.

 

Agreed, I think the F5 is well priced, people need to get past the Mustang comparisons and really look at where the car is competing. Unfotunately all the press the car will get will be of the Mustang vs. Camaro type which is great for guys that have a bone to pick with Mustang and need thier ego stroked, but IMO it will only serve to devalue the car and preserve the notion that the F5 is nothing more than GM's answer to the Mustang.