It's ashame that we only have the Mustang V8 to compare to (that we typically do), thus we compare the two down the line from pricing to specs. The comparison is somewhat invalid in many aspects.

I have seen Mustang V6 sales for $16000 and $17000..... I doubt the Camaro 6 will get that kind of discounts.

The SS Camaro should be compared to the Challenger... can't really compare it to the Charger for it's more of a passenger 4 door.

If you were to look real close, Camaro pricing is along the line of the G8 and the Challenger.

 

While we are on the topic here are some pics of the upcoming changes that are instore for the new Mustang. This is the GT-500 but overall body changes will be similar and so will interior.





I expect there to be a jump in price with the new Mustang, Ford would be shooting themselves in their already bleeding foot if they didn't raise the price a little even if it is only $1000 it will still change. You did bring up an interesting point though Bossco and that is the drive line swap for 2011 and that will bring the price up. Some folks at the other camp have been talking Cobra Jet which is basically just a detuned and smaller blower version of the GT-500 5.4. The prices will go up, how much will just be up to speculation until we see them next year.

 

I see they still have the same crap for an interior. Will Ford never learn?

 

I know its got "camo" on it..but it looks the same to me

 

Nope and that is why the company will continue to suffer from poor sales. However having a cheap interior does keep costs down. This is one area where I think the Camaro is worth the extra money.

If you look closely and follow the lines you can see some subtle differences but nothing too drastic just a face lift I think they are going to offer more interior options like SYNC.

At any rate I can see the price changing a bit for ford and going up to pay for the the R&D that they have in the new driveline as well as paying Giugiaro for his design work, and for the changing and retooling for all the aesthetics parts that were changed. Like someone else said the car is now 5 years old and it is still at 5 years ago prices and a whole lot has changed since then.

 

The way I see it, in terms of pricing vs the last gen cars is that there is no middle ground anymore. The V6 value for dollar is incredible at 23K vs the old car. The SS at 34k is only a little more than the last SS's (around 31-32k). and these pricepoints are fine.

Where we miss out, is the car to compete directly with a BASE gt mustang, or better yet; the last gen low option Z28/ formula/ or even a TA. And these cars were in the 25-28K pricerange.

So if you dont want to feel like you bought the lowly v6, and cant ante up the 10K price difference from a v6 to a v8; what do you do? There used to be an option.

a mid level 350-370 horse v8? motor car would hit the spot for a lot of buyers. Especially at 28-29k. Does it make good business sense to build another car and steal sales away from a much higher profit car in the SS? I'd say no, but I would buy one.

Im in the market for a new car in 2 years, and I would be looking in the midlevel range between the 2. I couldn't quite ante up for a WS6 when the last gen cars were made; and wont be able to quite make the price on an SS now; but a v6 isn't quite the way I want to go either.

How about a turbo I5 from the colorado? 350hp/350 tq and just below 30k sticker?

 

I'm not sure if that's a "good" comparison. Because, in reality the 4th gen f-body was JUST a straight line performer. It was not glamorous, handling sucked, interior quality was horrid, crappy leather, and so on. You were basically paying for engine.

In the last 4 or 5 years I have seen GM cars improve in the quality market, and I'm hoping this is brought over to the new Camaro. Also, I'm hoping that not ONLY is it a great straight line performer, but it's also a great handling with, what I'm hoping, BMW steering feel, great quality, great value, great sound system, reliable, and so on. If it fits all this than it's worth 30k to pay for it.

 

Yeap. That's what I'll be waiting for. :-)

 

I only read the first two pages, but I wanted to throw in my own 2 cents. Yes, the car comes with alot of power, IRS, etc., and the SS models (pricewise) are comparible to the SS cars back in the day - however, the fact remains that I cannot buy a V8 for under $30k.

I don't want fully loaded. I want a V8 and 6 gears. Keep the radio, I'll replace it anyway after a while, keep the sunroof, keep your gauges (someone will release an aftermarket), keep your leather and your 20 inch wheels. When I want fancy, I'll buy a BMW.

I don't care if mine is called an 'SS'. That's just a label that does not increase my fun factor - any mild horsepower improvements could be made up in a bit of aftermarket work. Hell, the only reason I own an SS at the moment is because I picked it up very very used.

I just think that they shot too high for the 'average' person.

 

I just read this and this is exactly what I mean. The Camaro is not meant to be a 'glamorous' car. Never was. My current 4th gen is worn out, but I had a mostly stock '96 that was a fantastic performer, nothing wrong with the leather, turned on a dime, etc.

The Camaro was not supposed to compete with luxury cars, and with doing that, they are missing their whole market. You want to know why younger people hop up hondas? It's because they can afford hondas.

We're going to see with this car, it's not going to sell as well as they hope. The bulk of the people who can really comfortably afford this car are A) Family people who need to have a 'practical' car, or B) Their tastes have changed to something more 'luxury' - they buy for comfort, not performance.

 

The 3rd gens had their Formula 350 model and the early 93/94Z28/Formula were definitely bargains,but things then started to get high when the SS/WS6 came out,so this mid-level thing is what,s missing.It would be interesting to see something like a 5.3(327c.i)w/around 365h.p .Also, Ford is also spinning their wheels in mud by not offering a LX Mustang,but even worse is that they can,t offer something like a proper Mercury Cougar as they have the platform!This shows why they are also going down the toilet as they aren,t listening to the 35-48 age group

 

Ummm what?

 

IMHO if you are stretched out over the difference between $28,000 and $30,000 you are out of reach for a car in this category.
These cars are 4 seat sports cars not grocery getters.If you want the aura and go fast stuff,well it costs.Cool and speed cost money.
Case in point,I needed a new car for work as I commute 80 miles 1 way each day.Now I could have bought a Cobalt or Aveo,but I couldn't see myself in it.I decided on the HHR but wanted something a little quicker.I could get a regular HHR for around $17,000 but I got the HHR SS for $25,000.I damn sure didnt need a turbo and 18 inch wheels but I wanted it.
I like toys and GM sure knows it.A new Camaro SS was not intended as an only car for a family with 4 kids.Im waiting a year for it to cool off,then I will buy next years model.Bugs will be worked out by then.I wont buy the first year of anything.
So in reality my HHR SS will run only 5 large less than the new SS Camaro.
Hell that SS Camaro is a damn bargain in my book.If the new Camaro turns out to be 1/2 as much fun to drive as the other 2 SS's in my driveway ,Ill be good to go
2007 Impala SS, 08 HHR SS

 

From the time the last 4th gen rolled off the assembly line till the first pre-prod. test drives this community "demanded" that the car be of substantially better quality than its predecessor. Now that we got what we wanted people are complaining that the car cost too much. Well what did you expect?!? As in all things in life, you get what you paid for. If you want something that is just as fast but cost less then you better damn well expect to make some sacrifices.

Yes, you can get a Mustang GT for substantially less than the Camaro SS but you are buying an inferior product in comparison. In 2011 or whenever the Mustang gets its full makeover then we'll have to see how it stacks up to the Camaro. If it is truly to be built with the quality and performance of the 5th gen. then you can't really expect it to come in for thousands less. That would be extremely foolish on your part.

Same goes for the Cobalt. Yes, you can get one and modify it to outrun the Camaro all the while costing less. From anything other than a purely performance aspect, this car pales in comparison. Don't get me wrong, I love the Cobalt SS, but it is nothing more than an entry level car. Besides this agrument is invalid anyway. I could find something much cheaper than the Cobalt SS and build it to blow the doors it and the Camaro in a purely performance viewpoint.

The truth is this car is priced right where its supposed to be (actually for the content offered in this car its cheaper than what I would have expected.) There is no other vehicle out there that can perform on par or offer the content that this car does for the same price. If you can find one then what are you complaining about? Go buy it.

BTW, this isn't a personal attack against Trybal but more so towards the general "It cost too much" audience.

 

I took a few minutes to look at the age of the folks responding to the thread. It brought up some interesting thoughts.
I own a 1999 Z28 (not SS) with all other options. I bought it new in 2000. MSRP sticker was around 26,000. I no longer have the sticker or I would scan it. Now, since I bought the car in 2000, it had been sitting on a dealer lot for over a year (just like now, 1999 models were released during 1998) I payed much less than MSRP. I payed (not financed) 22,400. I financed less than that due to down payment.
My thoughts are that the new 1SS is comparable in price to the old Z28, and the 2SS to the old SS. That said, for the price in 2000, you could get a fully loaded v-8 Camaro at less MSRP than now, that is true, however, there is such a thing as inflation. Not to forget that hopefully GM listened to our complaints about the 4th gens and improved all it's weak points.
I made substantially less money in 2000 than I do now, and that monthly payment was fairly easily made. I gave up on my hot-rods in order to have a nice, dependable moderately fast brand new car.
I won't go buy a new Camaro SS as soon as they hit the dealers, mostly because of "markups" and the folks that will buy them at that price.
I like what I have been able to see and read about the new Camaro SS, and to be totally honest, if I was going to buy a replacement for my 99Z right now, it would be the Challenger R/T.
I am however going to wait until the new SS is at the dealers, go sit in one, drive it, and make my decision then.