If you want the Mustang just go buy it! Nobody here will have any problem with that. Just post your OPINIONS on the Chevy website and move along and let the big dogs play! In 2 years when you pull up to a stop light in your RETRO Rustang and look to your left and see a Gorgeous Black 2008/9 Z28 with 400+ under the hood....just don't rev your engine!

Hmmm, on a scale of 1-10 I though an 8 was near perfect! Regardless, I will be buying one and my 94 Z28 will go into Retirement!

 

This guy just stuck his head in a hornet's nest .

David

 

BULLSEYE!

 

Yeah no one likes the styling of the concept.

https://www.camaroz28.com/buildtheconcept/list.shtml

 

LOL! You're killing me. Stop it please !!!

 

I voted 8 but said many times what would make it a 9 or 10. 8 is really high in my book btw. 10 is near unataingable. (though I have seen some nice 69 10's) This thread just sounds like bashing to me. Theres no your wrong and heres why. Its just youre wrong youre wrong youre wrong...

 

the challenger is sooooo much better than the new camaro, the front end on the camaro looks like total crap. challenger all the way baby

 

......Ignore it.

 

I don't mind when someone ridicules and calls names. It's a good indicator of someones true feelings about something. The closer to home you hit, the more ridicule you receive. The truth of the matter is -- this car is ugly, which is no doubt subjective but I think Chevy can do better. They need to do better. They need something totally differnent (ala Ford GT or their 4th Gen Camaro) or something retro (ala Challenger concept, Mustang, PT Cruiser, Mini, etc.). If they do none of these things, they need to smooth out the sharp angles. If they go to market the with the concept car's look, we may be seeing the last generation Camaro ever because if the general public rejects it, it won't last. We'll all buy one but that won't be enough.

Mark

 

Buy a Mustang? I doubt I could ever bring myself to do such a thing.

 

Wont ignore this one....for one the Challenger with easily be outsold by the Camaro and I will put any amount of money on that. It is in a segment were I do not think it will be able to compete. You say they need something totally different like the Ford GT? I think your taste in cars is rediculous, the 4th gen Camaro was bland compared to other generations and its lack of sales led to production ceasing yet you think the 5th gen should be like it? Your statements contradict eachother. You say its needs to be totally different or totally retro so where are you saying it stands now?

 

Diognes56 is right. You have stuck your head in a hornet's nest. Your point doesn't hold water for a number of reasons.

First, there are basically 2 Camaro fans: The "traditionalists" who love the 1st gen, and the "modernists" who love the 4th gen. In between you have the 2nd and 3rd gen which though has a smaller following, are yet another interpritation of Camaro, and has strong fans. To say that a new Camaro should get 95% or even 65% of enthusiasts thinking it's the best Camaro design ever is completely unrealistic, and that's being polite.

Second, Even though I like good design, retro or not, Camaro has always been about progressive design... moving forward. Although I've owned 3 4th gens, I realize the public didn't like them and GM needed to move a different way. IMO the new 5th gen design nails everything Camaro has historically been about. The design is progressive, yet at the same time pays homage to it's heritage. It's not trying to look like a Corvette, but it takes traditional cues and moves it into the future. GM design did an excellent job walking a fine line.

Third, you obviously haven't seen the car in person, and overheard the comments made about the car. It is stunning in person, and it get's people talking... in positive ways... about the car. The feedback on the car is incredible, and love the design or not, only a fool would even think the car won't do extremely well in the market.

Fourth, that dog winning best in show comment is pretty sad and weak. If a car steals an auto show like Detroit, taking it lightly is just plain silly.

Fifth, we have the same grasp on Camaro's predicament. This car HAS to sell, or the car will be dead in a matter of years. However, it doesn't have to be retro to do it. I think the Mustang isn't retro because if you were to teleport it back to the 60s or 70s, it would stand out like a sore thumb. It's a modern interpretation of all Mustang's DNA over the years. The Challenger on the other hand, save the wheel & tire size, would be perfectly at home in 1975 as a redesigned Challenger, and is probally the poster child of "retro". But the thing that's going to make these things a success is that they stand out from all the jelly-bean, aerodramatic designs that's on every car today. Mustang doesn't look like anything other than a Mustang, and the stand up grille, the shape, even the rear side windows look like nothing else on the road. Challengers are so rare today, that the new one is going to get lots of attention driving down the highway. The new Camaro is likely to cause crashes from rubber neckers. If it's brought in at 20K, it's CERTAINLY going to sell.

Finally, only a complete dummy would bring in Barrett-Jackson as a measurement as to what would sell today. Anyone who REALLY takes the time to look at it will realize that the high prices at auctions are because the vehicles are R-A-R-E !!! 70s Challengers get such high prices at auctions because:

1. They were rust buckets, and very few survive today as a percentage made.
2. Hemi engines were even more rare. Hemis were always rare engines in production Chryslers, and you could probally count the number that was put in Challengers because the car came out after the insurence industry declaired war on high performance cars. Enemy number 1? Hemi engines.
3. Challengers were pretty low volume cars to begin with after the 1st year or so.

You'll see high but not outreagous prices on Cuda 340s, because they were comparatively commonplace. You won't see many 318 Challengers (despite this being the way the majority were sold) because the who is going to spend alot of money reconditioning a car that isn't worth it?

The prices at Barrett-Jackson have nothing to do with design. It's all about rareity.

 

Why dont you try starting with what you would change and what you would perfer where.

 

Ok nothing on this planet is perfect...but this car is clearly a cargasm. I mean the fact the Camaro is coming back amazes me, I'm glad that my generation will not have to grow up in a world without the iconic American muscle car. I've looked at several concepts and renderings, and sure there are tiny things i like about each. Overall the car has styling ques from the past yet brings the future to the present, and i like that. As for me I'm only 17 and I garuntee you I will buy one the day they roll out of the factory if it means puting myself in debt for 10 years. I'd love to own a peice of art like that!

 

like i said before if you dont like the car just don't buy it ITS VERY SIMPLE, we already heard your opinion and the truth is, like it or not, that you can't do anything to change the concept, unless you try to get a job at GM as a designer. I saw a lots of people saying the same things as you about the corvette and some of that people ended buying it.