honestly though.....if you had the car and drove it for a few weeks, it becomes second nature to you. its not bad at all. my buddy had a camaro in florida as a rental. he drove it a few hundred miles over the week he had it. he hated it because of the visibility. but had he had more seat time in it, he would have gotten used to it. i had the same problem when i got my hummer. i was used to driving a escalade/tahoe and when i got the hummer it was so hard to get used to it being so wide. it took 5 minutes to pull it into the garage. now, ive had it for over 2 years and i pull it into the garage in less than 10 seconds(drunk or not. lol) just takes getting used to. you cant really build a car around every customer. its easier to build the customer around the cars. because we can change easier than the car can.

 

maybe not lower... maybe just a different... or maybe I am a better driver IF (big if) I ever get into an accident with my car because of something I couldn't see I will make sure to let you know.

 

It's not about accidents, or driving skills, or anything like that. I don't know how you could say that you're satisfied with the visibility in the 5th gen and, knowing that I'm not, disagree with the statement that my standards are higher. I simply prefer to be able to see more than what the 5th gen allows.

 

Got any pics of what it looks like?

 

i can say i am satisfied with the visibility, because it doesnt cause any problems with me when im driving it.

 

Visibility in this car is a complete and absolute weenie NON issue....the complainers dont drive one every day....and the sensors are on the cars now so nothing we can do about it....deal with it.

 

its not really a "deal with it " thing. changes still could be made and it could turn into an option, rather than coming on the lt2 and ss2 package, if the information gets to the right people.

 

And a lot of people have dealt with it, by not buying one. Not being able to see out of a vehicle is not a "weenie issue". If you like sitting in a tank turret enjoy. I like being able to see around me when I'm in rush hour traffic on I-85 and every other vehicle is a tractor trailer. I'm glad you are comfortable with the visibility but a lot of people aren't, that doesn't make them better or worse than you because you have accepted the visibility issue. My wife's van has backup sensors and the damn things go off so much they are basically useless. I don't trust a sensor over being able to visual confirm something is behind me or not. I can do it in the Mustang but not as well in the Camaro.

 

its not that hard to see out of. its not a lazy drivers car. people like to over exagerate alot. once youve spent some good time in the drivers seat, it becomes a very familiar place and you learn how to drive. how often do you hear viper owners complaining about the visibility? you dont! just get in the damn car and get the feel for the car and drive it!

 

I am sick and tired of accusations that I'm lazy and/or a bad driver because I want more visibility. It's insulting, and it's not true.

Low visibility is a legitimate gripe about the car, and the honest truth is that it's my biggest issue with it. It's what's keeping me from wanting to buy one. That's a productive topic of discussion, whereas the accusations and insults I get in response are not.

Let's imagine that the car didn't have power steering. Would you attempt to dismiss people who said they had a problem with that by calling them weak and their argument therefore irrelevant? Of course not, every new car should have power steering. Well, guess what. Every car should have good visibility, too. How is this any different?

 

im not pointing at you when i say " lazy drivers". but its the truth. you cant be a lazy driver in this car. and didnt they make cars without power steering before? and people still bought them. no ones forcing you to liek the car or buy one. we all get your point. you arent buying one because your booster seat isnt big enough to see past the dash...lol just kidding. i understand that you and others, dont like the visibility. but ill tell you, its not going to change any time soon. so its either get used to it or dont get it. thats really what it comes down to. Jake, do you mind me asking you how tall you are?

 

I'm not lazy, but I prefer to be relaxed. The 2010 does not allow me to be relaxed.

Of course, but as soon as power steering was invented, people flocked to them because it was a huge improvement.

The thing is, I want to want one. I love Camaros, and aside from the visibility, the 2010 is one kickass car which I would be proud to own.

My goal is to make sure that my viewpoint is known, so that I have some semblance of a chance of GM building a future Camaro I can buy. I know it's not going to be soon, but GM is already working on a 6th gen, so now is the time to make my stance known. It was relevant in a discussion of backup sensors, because I wanted to make clear that they don't solve the problem.

I'm 5'8", which is just a bit below average (5'9") for an American male. Note that I have no issue with seat adjustability -- I can get myself into a fine seating position, and my height is not the issue. It's the rearward visibility that I don't care for, and the enormous C-pillars are the issue.

 

I been in one and it is that hard to see out of. I have a long driveway to back out of and there are a lot of kids in the neighborhood as well as my own, I like being able to see out of the back of my cars. I want to like the car, it's the most beautiful car on the road to me. Having said that, after sitting in the Mustang it is night and day compared to the Camaro. I have much better visibility and the passenger seat isn't lower than the driver. I've had 2 Camaro's an 88 and an 02 but the 2010 is just too hard to see out of. Factor in the Mustang is faster, lighter, handles better, and I can see out of it, it just might be the car for me. The Camaro is the nicer looking car but the visibility is too much for me to overlook.

 

Boy oh boy Jake, I could have typed that. It wasn't so long ago that you were giving me a hard time for saying the exact thing.

 

I'll be the first to admit that I sound a lot like you used to in discussions about weight. The difference is, I waited until I drove one to decide what bothered me, whereas you complained about the weight until you drove one, and then posted a thread about how much you enjoyed it, and haven't had much to say about the weight since then.

Having said that, '11 Mustang proves that Camaro could weigh significantly less, and I'm hoping the 6th gen is more competitive on that front.