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View Poll Results: Where is your Camaro purchase-o-meter?
I will buy one with cosmic certaintude.
58.78%
I'm somewhat disappointed, but will buy one anyway.
12.16%
I'm very disappointed, but haven't ruled out buying one yet.
15.54%
No way I'm buying that!
6.08%
I was gonna buy used anyway.
7.43%
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Old 01-05-2008 | 02:08 AM
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It's definetly still at the top of my list, egregious interior notwithstanding.
Old 01-05-2008 | 02:24 AM
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Somewhat disapointed but will probably buy one, given the fact that the Malibu interior looks pretty good, and an assumption they'll do one better for the Camaro by game time.
Old 01-05-2008 | 02:29 AM
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Have to see it done and what each model will look like, but I doubt it will look how I'd like it to as I didn't find the concept all that exciting. I still find some of its features odd, the Challenger although I find most people think is better looking and that concerns me, I might even agree in a few ways.
Old 01-05-2008 | 05:00 AM
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Even tho I'll wait till the final product comes out, Im still looking to buy one. The exterior seems to have kept the overall concept design and I'll take their word that the interior is still being worked on. I was never a huge fan of the interior but I never really disliked it either.

The way I see it, Im a fan of the current model Mustang but its interior is horribly designed (to me anyway). Sitting in a few and really going over it just made it worse. But yet, even with its horrid interior, Ford cant build enough of em and to me at least, the Camaro's interior pulls it off better even in its "incomplete" stage. Just my .02
Old 01-05-2008 | 10:00 AM
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It's going to be entertaining to come back to review this thread once the production Camaro is out, blowing our minds and making owners get that stupid muscle car grin we all know so well

... I wonder if the results are going to look a little... inaccurate
Old 01-05-2008 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeRobb
None of those options apply to me.

I'm not disappointed in the least, but "cosmic certaintude" is going a long way overboard.

My purchase-o-meter is hovering at "I'd like one if I can afford it when the time comes. Otherwise, maybe I'll wait until I can afford new, or maybe I'll buy a used one a couple years later."
That applies to me as wel on all pointsl. I even like the interior so far.
Old 01-06-2008 | 11:10 AM
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I'm just waiting for someone to convince my wife!
Old 01-06-2008 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
Maybe. But I've been cruising alot of different sites the past couple of days, and the negative remarks are a pretty high percentage, I'd say even the majority, (make that nearly unanimous on the non-GM sites), if we're referring to the interior. It's safe to say that is more than just my personal opinion.

Pics of mules/prototypes are seen everyday, even enthusiast cars which people care alot about. Corvette, Mustang, Challenger - you name it. I can't really remember any appreciable volume of disappointment with any of those, and I remember some pretty hacked up mule pics.

Anyways, I'm still holding out to see the final product. But alot of what I've seen so far is not stirring my soul, for me to say anything else would be lie.
It is your poll and you have a right to set it up anyway you want but none apply to me. I love the car but as other people said its far from a lock. If I can afford it then its likely. Some things have to fall into place in my life. I like the interior but I would tweak somethings and lean it slightly to make it vette like without loosing the key retro feel and console gauges. I love that HUD is and option as I really like that and I love that nav seems to be an option. I cant imagine it weighs more than a couple pounds. Id even like a light weight cheap backup cam hooked into the Nav. On weight, I want it lightweight but safe High performance and comfortable enough to want to drive it daily, not a second car.

So where is your "purchase o meter"? You were one of the biggest advocates for the B Pillar to loose weight. Having that roll down would have been cool but Im glad we lost that weight. Sometimes it seems you love what it is and others when you say its going to be a pig it just seems your disgusted with the whole thing. Your opinon carries a ton of weight just here and your own board. Im not attacking you, just curious since you asked, where do you stand?
Old 01-06-2008 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thgen69camaro
So where is your "purchase o meter"? You were one of the biggest advocates for the B Pillar to loose weight. Having that roll down would have been cool but Im glad we lost that weight. Sometimes it seems you love what it is and others when you say its going to be a pig it just seems your disgusted with the whole thing. Your opinon carries a ton of weight just here and your own board. Im not attacking you, just curious since you asked, where do you stand?
I believe he has stated he is keeping an open mind (but I will not misquote him, so don't take that as gospel). I afford all due respect to the thread starter, and it's interesting to see the results even though this poll is flawed in many ways as a true gauge of sentiment or Camaro demand. But I don't fully agree with the notion that the starter's "opinion carries a lot of weight". I believe many on this site have had long-standing issues in the past, with some of his positions. An example - was the prolonged (and silly IMHO) curb weight debate. He's fully entitled to his positions - and it is clear he is a bonafide expert on Camaro history. But that does not necessarily mean he has a lot of influence, especially on matters difficult to change, such as the hefty curb weights of well-equipped modern cars.

Originally Posted by Z284ever
But I've been cruising alot of different sites the past couple of days, and the negative remarks are a pretty high percentage, I'd say even the majority, (make that nearly unanimous on the non-GM sites), if we're referring to the interior. It's safe to say that is more than just my personal opinion.
I'm interested to know - which sites you are referring to? I saw threads on www.gminsidenews.com , and on www.5thgen.org and it seemed to me the responses (even to cobbled, incomplete, shadowy interior pix) were more positive than negative. And here on this site - the poll results above, so far, show only about 14% responding are not planning to buy.
Old 01-06-2008 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDarknFast
I believe he has stated he is keeping an open mind (but I will not misquote him, so don't take that as gospel). I afford all due respect to the thread starter, and it's interesting to see the results even though this poll is flawed in many ways as a true gauge of sentiment or Camaro demand. But I don't fully agree with the notion that the starter's "opinion carries a lot of weight". I believe many on this site have had long-standing issues in the past, with some of his positions. An example - was the prolonged (and silly IMHO) curb weight debate. He's fully entitled to his positions - and it is clear he is a bonafide expert on Camaro history. But that does not necessarily mean he has a lot of influence, especially on matters difficult to change, such as the hefty curb weights of well-equipped modern cars.
I think you misunderstood my post. Of course he is entitled to his opinion. I enjoy reading Charlies posts. I disagree with you completely in that I think Charlies opinon carrries alot of weight. It does with me and other people on this board. It does with Scott enough to respond here on serveral issues. That could be just because of the influence that Charlie has here. It does with Bob Lutz, when Bob responded to Charlies email regaurding a preproduction not loosing the look that the concept does. I never said Charlie was involved in the decisioin making process. Maybe I should have said it carries more weight than the average person...
Old 01-06-2008 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thgen69camaro
I think you misunderstood my post. Of course he is entitled to his opinion. I enjoy reading Charlies posts. I disagree with you completely in that I think Charlies opinon carrries alot of weight. It does with me and other people on this board. It does with Scott enough to respond here on serveral issues. That could be just because of the influence that Charlie has here. It does with Bob Lutz, when Bob responded to Charlies email regaurding a preproduction not loosing the look that the concept does. I never said Charlie was involved in the decisioin making process. Maybe I should have said it carries more weight than the average person...

Wow. Thanks for the kind words.

BTW, I voted - I'm very disappointed, but haven't ruled out buying one yet.
Old 01-06-2008 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDarknFast
I'm interested to know - which sites you are referring to? I saw threads on www.gminsidenews.com , and on www.5thgen.org and it seemed to me the responses (even to cobbled, incomplete, shadowy interior pix) were more positive than negative. And here on this site - the poll results above, so far, show only about 14% responding are not planning to buy.
There are a ton of sites out there which discuss the Camaro - which are not necessarily Camaro or GM oriented sites. Ford sites. Mopar sites. European car sites. General automotive sites. You should try perusing them sometime, they may give you a more balanced view.
Old 01-06-2008 | 07:00 PM
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Probably wasn't going to get one because it is a Camaro and not a Firebird. That said I was not disappointed with the look of the production car from the outside but I would still like to see it in person. However, the interior in the Autoblog spy-shots is not something I could live with.

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Old 01-06-2008 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thgen69camaro
I think you misunderstood my post. Of course he is entitled to his opinion. I enjoy reading Charlies posts. I disagree with you completely in that I think Charlies opinon carrries alot of weight. It does with me and other people on this board. It does with Scott enough to respond here on serveral issues. That could be just because of the influence that Charlie has here. It does with Bob Lutz, when Bob responded to Charlies email regaurding a preproduction not loosing the look that the concept does. I never said Charlie was involved in the decisioin making process. Maybe I should have said it carries more weight than the average person...
I imagine it's possible I misunderstood. If so, and that troubles you, well my apologies. As for the OP, I certainly wasn't trying to construe things to make a claim he is somehow directly involved with Chevy's product planning. I do also agree he has had significant impact on providing a focal point for inputs to folks like Fbodfather, and that's great (to the extent it can help a better Camaro happen). However - I think there is also another side to this. Like a large media outlet, sometimes one forum member can stir up a frenzy where none had been inclined naturally to exist. People do this for a variety of motives, and I'm not speculating about the OP's motives here - but it is true that some do it for the sake of increasing their own stature on a board, or just to 'become popular', or to pursue a personal agenda, such as for example, a quest for exotic and unreasonable curb weight reduction. That debate in particular, from a while back, struck me as silly and left me wondering some, that's all.

Back on this poll. What's the point, really? Especially when the OP colors the poll direction, with the first statement in the thread? Respondents do not have accurate data to judge their own feelings about the production car's interior - since the only pix now seen are from a half-done, unfinished, equipment-cluttered prototype. What exactly is this poll supposed to shed light on?

Originally Posted by Z284ever
There are a ton of sites out there which discuss the Camaro - which are not necessarily Camaro or GM oriented sites. Ford sites. Mopar sites. European car sites. General automotive sites. You should try perusing them sometime, they may give you a more balanced view.
I don't typically go to European car forums to see what they think of Camaros. Frankly - I don't care. I suppose GM does care to some extent, but any sales of the new Camaro in Europe are going to a very tiny fraction of US sales - so again why would one focus on that? And as for the Mopar/Ford sites, again the problem of asking for an opinion based on unauthorized, cobbled prototype pix presents a problem and colors the results tremendously. Here's a picture of a prototype Mustang interior:



(from http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=59134 ).

How do you suppose that would be received on a Mopar forum? Things that make you say "Hmmm..."

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Old 01-06-2008 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDarknFast
How do you suppose that would be received on a Mopar forum? Things that make you say "Hmmm..."
There are Mopar forums where a pic like that would be met with "huh huh teh Mustang is goin to be so ****ty and ghey SRT4 FTW" and forums where that would be met with a discussion -- informed by a couple of ex-big-three engineers with test experience -- about what everything in that pic was, speculation as to Ford's actual likely design direction, business case for various possible variants, etc.

In other words, there's pretty much the same variation you see in the Ford and GM forums.



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