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Old 05-04-2009 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wildpaws
I find listings for RPO Z27 SS in quite a few books and all over the net, are you sure it did not exist in '67/'68? The engine codes you mention were indeed for the correct engine you wanted with the SS package.
According to the Camaro Research Group's RPO database, Z27 did not exist until the 1969 MY. (http://www.camaros.org)

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I believe the '67 Z/28s had the V-8 flag emblems with 302 on them, all V-8s had the flag emblems with engine size. In '68 they did away with the flag emblems just in front of the door and put engine size badges (like the 302 you mention) on the front fender just at the nose of the car.
Actually 1967 Z/28s had no V-flag, and no engine displacement. They just had the "camaro" emblem on the fender and of course "Chevrolet Camaro" on the header panel and trunk. If they were equipped with the RS option they also got the "rs" badges, but that was it.

Originally Posted by wildpaws
I remember when I was getting ready to purchase my first Camaro, there was a burgundy Camaro with 302 V-8 flags and wide black Rally Stripes on the lot, no one seemed to know much about it (and I knew nothing about a 302 or a Z/28), so I ended up buying a '67 RS 327. I later found out what that 302 Z/28 was all about, so when I traded in '69 I bought a Z/28.
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Nice trade! . Are you sure it was a '67 Z/28 and not an early '68? The 302 emblems would make sense on a '68 (located in front of the wheel openings), but not the V-flags. Incidentally, "302" engine displacement badges in the 1967 size and location don't exist except as perhaps an incorrect recreation.
Old 05-04-2009 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
According to the Camaro Research Group's RPO database, Z27 did not exist until the 1969 MY. (http://www.camaros.org)


Actually 1967 Z/28s had no V-flag, and no engine displacement. They just had the "camaro" emblem on the fender and of course "Chevrolet Camaro" on the header panel and trunk. If they were equipped with the RS option they also got the "rs" badges, but that was it.


Nice trade! . Are you sure it was a '67 Z/28 and not an early '68? The 302 emblems would make sense on a '68 (located in front of the wheel openings), but not the V-flags. Incidentally, "302" engine displacement badges in the 1967 size and location don't exist except as perhaps an incorrect recreation.
Well, it was a few years back!! Maybe where I saw the 302 was on the air cleaner (I knew most all '67s I saw back then had V-flags, so easily remembered wrong for me), it was for sure a '67 as the '68s were not out yet (around May of 1967) and I picked through a lot full of '67s to get my 327 RS. By the time the '68s were out for a couple of months I had learned enough about 302s to know I wanted one but could not make it happen until '69. And it was one sweet ride (and oh those chambered exhausts)!!
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Old 05-04-2009 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Chevycobb
sort of...the bumblebee camaro from the new transformers movie is based off a Z28 model that chevy made up
Thats pretty cool. Think it would look better in red and black
Old 05-04-2009 | 06:21 PM
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not sure of they have been posted or not, but these are pics from another camaro book out there. They appear to be taken in a design studio and there is a model of the "Z28".
Z in red, and 28 in white. Not sure who the people are. Sorry for bad quality...cell phone pic of the pages
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Old 05-04-2009 | 06:32 PM
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Which book is that from?

The people in that picture are Sang Yup Lee (I believe) and Tom Peters, if people want to put faces to the names.
Old 05-04-2009 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dacook
All they need do is make the mailslot wider and functional and drop in an LSA. They could use the current production line. Maybe I'm naive but that doesn't seem too expensive.
It is simple, the problem here is the opportunity costs of building the Z28. GM can apply the money needed to produce the Z28 toward that end or they can apply it elsewhere. Right now, they are choosing to apply it elsewhere. In plain terms, GM would rather be doing something else with that money rather than build a Z28.

My guess, that money is going toward keeping the lights on.
Old 05-04-2009 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by HAZ-Matt
They don't have the money to start production.
Fixed.

Originally Posted by dacook
All they need do is make the mailslot wider and functional and drop in an LSA. They could use the current production line. Maybe I'm naive but that doesn't seem too expensive.
That is a huge oversimplification.

First of all, if the renderings we've seen are correct, it's a completely different hood and front fascia. There's a scoop on the hood, and no mailslot. I'm going to guess that the body and fenders are different too (wider fender flares to accommodate larger tires; there's no room for them otherwise). Then, of course, there would be the wider wheels and tires themselves.

The added weight from the supercharger probably means different springs, at least in the front. Different springs probably mean different shocks.

There is certainly some custom stuff in the interior (they'd have to have a Z28 version of every part that has an SS label on it, which includes seats, door sills, gauges, steering wheel, and more). Gauges would be different (at the very least showing the LSA's different redline, and possibly incorporating a boost gauge).

So, at the very least, that's dozens of Z28-specific parts. They have to coordinate with all of the suppliers to start production shortly before the vehicle line gets moving, and they have to get the supply chains moving. For components already in use on other vehicles (the LSA, for instance), they have to ramp up production to accommodate the additional demand.

Finally, they need to figure out where they're going to build it (probably Oshawa), make room at that plant for all of the necessary supply lines, and get everything set up to accommodate it. Finally, they need to train the line workers on how all of the Z28-specific stuff goes together.

Furthermore, once they actually start building cars on the production line, the cars have to be validated, crash tested, and EPA tested. They would need to do a captive test fleet of Z28s built on the production line in order to iron out any potential bugs.

When they say it's "developed and ready to go", that doesn't mean that they just have to throw a switch and the first production Z28 could roll off the line the next day. There is still a ton of stuff that has to happen, and all of it costs money. GM simply doesn't have the cash to do it right now, and nobody wants to loan it to them.
Old 05-04-2009 | 07:45 PM
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Which book is that from?

The people in that picture are Sang Yup Lee (I believe) and Tom Peters, if people want to put faces to the names.
I will have to look around to see if I can find it. barnes and noble had it on one of their bargain shelves for $10. Had a head on shot of a red 5th gen on the cover with a black background

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Old 05-05-2009 | 08:07 AM
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i like how they got rid of the fake scoop and just made it in the hood. led fog lights too it looks like. looks like a convertable behind them too.
Old 05-05-2009 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Chevycobb
not sure of they have been posted or not, but these are pics from another camaro book out there. They appear to be taken in a design studio and there is a model of the "Z28".
Z in red, and 28 in white. Not sure who the people are. Sorry for bad quality...cell phone pic of the pages

Those pictures look sweet....can anyone photoshop those into a full car?
Old 05-06-2009 | 02:54 AM
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The new Z would compete against the mustang 500KR (which i've read ford has put on hold also) for bragging rights as to who really is "King of the Road"
Ford has really nothing to do with the KR, so it seems odd they would put another KR model on hold (its purely a Shelby deal), but in terms of power its moot, the regular '10 GT500 puts out 540 hp and IIRC like 510 ft/lbs. thanks to a revised engine calibration, knock sensors and a cold air setup.
Old 05-06-2009 | 05:12 AM
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Those pictures look sweet....can anyone photoshop those into a full car?
Sure!


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Old 05-06-2009 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bossco
Ford has really nothing to do with the KR, so it seems odd they would put another KR model on hold (its purely a Shelby deal), but in terms of power its moot, the regular '10 GT500 puts out 540 hp and IIRC like 510 ft/lbs. thanks to a revised engine calibration, knock sensors and a cold air setup.
the 2010 gt500 is essentially the same as the kr. well the motor atleast.
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