...short of the LS1 F-bods.

First some assumptions.

-That the base motor will be a HF 3.6 of approximately 285 hp.

-That GM will be successful in keeping weight down to 3,500-3,600 lbs.

Let's consider that an M6, 3.6 CTS, with a good driver is capable of high 14's. If the wheelhop issue were resolved - easy mid 14's.

Now imagine a base Camaro with 30 more hp and with a couple of hundred pounds less weight. Certainly LT1 F-cars would not be safe in straight line or handling performance. Perhaps only LS1 F-cars could beat a BASE 5th gen, stock for stock.

(And before someone brings up the ZL1, stock means stock bias ply tires.)

 

IF we are lucky and the weight can be kept that low, I think you're correct in that thinking. However, we've still got 2-1/2 years to intro and alot of market forces can change in that amount of time.

 

It sounds plausible……



(….ya know…..my post just aren’t as in-depth as they used to be in this forum….)

 

Well even on bias ply tires an original ZL-1 would out perform a base model Camaro, but we are talking about a car that they made 69 of, and had a an all aluminum 427 that made around 650 hp.

I think a base model will be able to compete with previous models but even so I don't think it is going to beat the previous 4th gens in terms of the LS1 equipped cars. My main thinking here is that the new Camaro is going to be heavier than the previous models.

We will just have to see huh?

 

Doubtful.

The base Camaro is going to need to have very good fuel economy, which is going to dictate a numerically low axle ratio or a tranny with Eco-friendly gearing.

Another issue is torque. Even an LT1 is twisting with over 320 lbs/ft of torque. A V6 with 250 lbs/ft of torque even with the same gearing would have it's head handed to it in a drag race.

On the positive note, if it had 285 horsepower, with all else being equal (especially aerodynamics), it should reach an LT1's 155+ top end. However, I'm not yet convinced the 5th gen will have the aerodynamics of the 4th.

Either way, the base 5th gen will be no slouch, and depending how much lack of manhood one is trying to make up for, a base V6 manual 5th gen (with say a 6 second flat 0-60 time) will be plenty quick for just about everyone.

 

<<<<<<<Still wants a base V8 with about 325 - 350 HP...that would do mighty well against previous Camaros and at a great price!!

 

LT1's are high 13's low 14's
L98's mid 14's - highs
302 Z's mid to low 14's

LT4 SS's.....weren't many, but i've seen mid to low 13's

It doesn't stand a chance against any 427 car, they're high 13 sec cars no matter what tire they're spinning all the way down the track.

 

to early to tell with out even knowing anything besides where its being built. i would say unlikly though

 

I think a perfectly driven, 3,500 lbs, 285hp/285 ft lbs, M6, 5th gen, with no wheelhop issues, could concievably get into the high 13's or pretty close.

It certainly would destroy a stock COPO on a road course.

 

If they made a base V8, it would probably be similiar to the LS4 at 303 hp. Base model will be a V6 to keep costs down the base model so they can sell the car.

 

Well in the 1/4, Id still say the COPO would take it, BUT

Why wouldnt you pit it against say a cross ram 69 Z28 on a road course? The Z was built for that and does it better than SS and probably the front heavy COPO though I dont know how well that aluminum big block really balances the car.

 

Last word was that there wouldn't be an LS4 like engine. In fact, the mid engine is/was supposed to be a V6.

Earlier this year, someone close to the project said none of the engines slated for Camaro are in production yet... and alluded to new transmissions as well.

 

hmm so dosn't that exclude some of the motors people have been speculating/?

 

Actually, I agree. But close enough for the purposes of discussion in this thread.

 

Absoloutely, to get even close in a base car would be sweet! I think I get it now. I guess, I took it too literally...