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Old 09-18-2006 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by guionM
Last word was that there wouldn't be an LS4 like engine. In fact, the mid engine is/was supposed to be a V6.

Earlier this year, someone close to the project said none of the engines slated for Camaro are in production yet... and alluded to new transmissions as well.
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hmm so dosn't that exclude some of the motors people have been speculating/?
most of the information we have is speculation. the only thing that is definite is that there making it and where it will be made and that there will be changes to it to make it suitable for the road. besides that almost all information is pure speculation.
Old 09-18-2006 | 11:57 PM
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I would put the BASE model on par with the LT1 as much as to make a race between the two a drivers race. LS1's should be faster than the BASE, but slower than the mid-level.
Old 09-19-2006 | 12:08 AM
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i thought the v6 cts was 3500lbs and therefore the same as the camaro target. the cts-v is a few hundred puonds heavier.
Old 09-19-2006 | 10:05 AM
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I'm going to limit myself to just the 93-97 4th gens and say not just no, but no way in hell. I may give it to the 5th gen on a road course, but that will be highly debatable given what most likely will go into a V6 suspension. Since we are talking "base", I believe a 5th gen "base" V6 will have a somewhat softer suspension than a Z28/RS/SS, etc. If for no other reason than to make it more palatable to people that find the latter suspensions a little harsh.

First, we seem to forget just how powerful the early 4th gens were. They were the king of the street in their day and not by just a little bit. Let's remember they had 275HP stock and most important for any 1/4mi. comparison, 325ft/lb of torque. These cars ran roughly 14.2 in the 1/4mi. A heavier V6 with significantly less torque doesn't really stand a chance. Now, you can say "it would be a driver's race", but are we talking about the car or the driver here?

I would say that if you put the same driver in each car, had him run both road course and 1/4mi. there would be very little to talk about. The only LT1 it would even have a chance against would be an A4 with 2.73 gearing. Even then, only in stoplight to stoplight racing.
Old 09-19-2006 | 10:28 AM
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I think some people don't like having all that power in a base car. Some people might want a sporty car but might be afraid of 285hp. Not me of course but I won't be buying a V6.
Old 09-19-2006 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RoMaD
I'm going to limit myself to just the 93-97 4th gens and say not just no, but no way in hell. I may give it to the 5th gen on a road course, but that will be highly debatable given what most likely will go into a V6 suspension. Since we are talking "base", I believe a 5th gen "base" V6 will have a somewhat softer suspension than a Z28/RS/SS, etc. If for no other reason than to make it more palatable to people that find the latter suspensions a little harsh.
It doesn't need to be harsh to handle well. The 5th gen's structure will be far more rigid than the 4th gen's. It will also have a far more sophisticated suspension. This means you won't need to go strictly to reduced wheel travel (stiffer), to get better handling.
Old 09-19-2006 | 10:54 AM
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I think some people don't like having all that power in a base car. Some people might want a sporty car but might be afraid of 285hp. Not me of course but I won't be buying a V6.
Its going to need that kind of power since the Mustang V6 is slated to get some power bumps before the 5th gen comes out.
Old 09-19-2006 | 02:14 PM
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Why bother getting all worked up over the Base camaro. If you wanted a fast car get the up model. The v-6 as far as my thinking goes are for the women that want the look without the neck snaping speed.IMO
Old 09-19-2006 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Killaz
Why bother getting all worked up over the Base camaro. If you wanted a fast car get the up model. The v-6 as far as my thinking goes are for the women that want the look without the neck snaping speed.IMO
Well, I think the base car is exceedingly important. I hope more than just women want one, and I hope ALOT of women want one. I hope people who have NEVER, EVER even considered a Camaro want one.

Your view, IMO, is very unidimensional and not very productive.
Old 09-19-2006 | 05:53 PM
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I hope a lot of women buy them too, because I hardly see guys driving V6 f-bodies..... If it comes with a M6, guys will buy the V6 version.

I guess I have a stereotypical unidimensional opinion as well.
Old 09-19-2006 | 06:05 PM
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I hope a lot of women buy them too, because I hardly see guys driving V6 f-bodies..... If it comes with a M6, guys will buy the V6 version.

I guess I have a stereotypical unidimensional opinion as well.
I actually see about equal male and females in V6 F-cars. The problem I think, is that there aren't very many of them.
Old 09-19-2006 | 07:19 PM
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um, i would hope not.
Old 09-19-2006 | 07:28 PM
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Its going to need that kind of power since the Mustang V6 is slated to get some power bumps before the 5th gen comes out.
Current Mustang V6 has 210 HP and 240 lb.-ft or torque. A bump doesnt get to 285 hp and 325 lb.-ft of torque. My guess is that the 5th gen will be heavier than an LT1 and its V6 will be about the same as the Mustangs. If we are talking about V6's that are pushing 300hp, the price would start to approach the price of a 350z.
Old 09-19-2006 | 07:31 PM
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Current Mustang V6 has 210 HP and 240 lb.-ft or torque. A bump doesnt get to 285 hp and 325 lb.-ft of torque. My guess is that the 5th gen will be heavier than an LT1 and its V6 will be about the same as the Mustangs. If we are talking about V6's that are pushing 300hp, the price would start to approach the price of a 350z.
The rumor mill says that Mustang gets the 3.5 Duratec as base. Horsepower? 270-ish or so.
Old 09-19-2006 | 07:42 PM
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The rumor mill says that Mustang gets the 3.5 Duratec as base. Horsepower? 270-ish or so.
Rumor mills are fun Say they do. Then there would be a comparable V6 in the Camaro. But I don't think that will happen just yet. Just look at the 300hp 350z from Nissan. Starts at 27k. Maybe Ford will find away to put a better engine into the Mustang. Maybe they skimp on the tranny and suspension and base options, but the 350z is starting at the price of a Mustang GT.

Rumors are only rumors. I just want it to be 2009 so I can go get my car



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