Will the new Camaro be able to have a t-top option?
#46
Re: Will the new Camaro be able to have a t-top option?
Originally Posted by Jason E
If the Corvette can crash test with a targa, so can a Camaro. No excuses.
It is far from being that simple. Two different cars, entirely different dynamics. It is more than cutting a hole in the top and slamming it into a wall and saying "good enough".
#47
Re: Will the new Camaro be able to have a t-top option?
Yeah... just attempted photoshopped T-Tops myself
Few things:
1) Windshield appears really damn small.. to do it "right" sort of like the 4th gen's were, you would have a big border area at the top of the windshield.. it would look really out of place. If you did it to match the windshield (4th gen), the T-Tops look hugely over-sized, and have a bigass curve to them.
2) From the top. You could keep the indentation in the roof, I think.The t-top opening size would be 2nd genish.
From the side, i don't think it would ever look good with the rear window. If you wanted to get rid of the rear window, it would look Mustangish like pointed out earlier.. the rear would look sort of stupid then unless you put some sort of design there (a window, like the mustang), or put a hatch on the car instead of a trunk.
Sucks.. I don't see t-tops being offered without a good bit of changes.. T-tops are damn cool, and it's probably the only real con to not getting a 5th gen over a 4th gen.
Few things:
1) Windshield appears really damn small.. to do it "right" sort of like the 4th gen's were, you would have a big border area at the top of the windshield.. it would look really out of place. If you did it to match the windshield (4th gen), the T-Tops look hugely over-sized, and have a bigass curve to them.
2) From the top. You could keep the indentation in the roof, I think.The t-top opening size would be 2nd genish.
From the side, i don't think it would ever look good with the rear window. If you wanted to get rid of the rear window, it would look Mustangish like pointed out earlier.. the rear would look sort of stupid then unless you put some sort of design there (a window, like the mustang), or put a hatch on the car instead of a trunk.
Sucks.. I don't see t-tops being offered without a good bit of changes.. T-tops are damn cool, and it's probably the only real con to not getting a 5th gen over a 4th gen.
#48
Re: Will the new Camaro be able to have a t-top option?
I don't care if they offer t-tops or a targa option on the new camaro as long as the hard top version does not have a B-pillar or the added weight needed to support said options. With that said I can't help but think of a mullet and a denim jacket when I see someone driving around with their t-tops out. I have them on my car but I didn't buy it new and I never take them out. Sorry.
#49
Re: Will the new Camaro be able to have a t-top option?
I posted these in another thread, but is also relevant here...
Here are two variations with t-tops (blacked-out around windshield and body colored) with a blacked-out "hidden" b-pillar overlapping the rear side windows since it seems a given that a b-pillar will be necessary for t-tops. The rear side windows could be fixed or made to hinge open slightly. I also continued the lines of the "double-bubble" into the t-tops themselves.
T-Top #1
T-Top #2
I think it could be pulled off...
Here are two variations with t-tops (blacked-out around windshield and body colored) with a blacked-out "hidden" b-pillar overlapping the rear side windows since it seems a given that a b-pillar will be necessary for t-tops. The rear side windows could be fixed or made to hinge open slightly. I also continued the lines of the "double-bubble" into the t-tops themselves.
T-Top #1
T-Top #2
I think it could be pulled off...
#50
Re: Will the new Camaro be able to have a t-top option?
To me, it's not so much the t-tops ON that looks out of place, it's the t-tops with them off.
I think if you made the entire top section BLACK (like 4th gens) the rear window would fit ok.
also, if the sides of the t-tops were BODY COLOR (if the top wasn't all black), it would fit a lot better in the bottom picture.
The thing being though, would be with all the windows DOWN. The rear would just look stupid coming "up and over" the seats, and just ending. The b-pillar would fix this, but I think it might still look out of place unless the pillar were body-colored, or the entire top section was black.
I think if you made the entire top section BLACK (like 4th gens) the rear window would fit ok.
also, if the sides of the t-tops were BODY COLOR (if the top wasn't all black), it would fit a lot better in the bottom picture.
The thing being though, would be with all the windows DOWN. The rear would just look stupid coming "up and over" the seats, and just ending. The b-pillar would fix this, but I think it might still look out of place unless the pillar were body-colored, or the entire top section was black.
#51
Re: Will the new Camaro be able to have a t-top option?
If they were to make T-tops and don't want it to look funny, all they need to do is make the edge of the t-top body color. In effect, creating a colored roof rail that connects the A-pillar to the C-pillar. Just look at the 90's Nissan 300ZX for an example of that. Then if a b-pillar is needed, they can use the qtr glass to go over that pillar, taking the place of a colored body panel, give it a non b-pillar look.
#52
Re: Will the new Camaro be able to have a t-top option?
There is NO problem with making the car look good with the t-tops on.
It's with them off, in my opinion. It would look ok with a Bpillar.. secondly, you need the bpillar for strength, i believe.
if all the windows were down, and T-tops off, the car would look sort of retarded, in my opinion..
the b-pillar though takes away some smoothness of the car
It's with them off, in my opinion. It would look ok with a Bpillar.. secondly, you need the bpillar for strength, i believe.
if all the windows were down, and T-tops off, the car would look sort of retarded, in my opinion..
the b-pillar though takes away some smoothness of the car
#53
Re: Will the new Camaro be able to have a t-top option?
Originally Posted by Robert_Nashville
No...I had a 50th Anniversary (Pontiac's 50th) TransAm "Black/gold"...I believe it was the first production car ever fitted with T-Tops (Hurst did the conversion for GM until, I think '79 when the T-Tops were truly installed at the factory).
About 3,000 50th Anniversay models were slated for production (about 1 per Pontiac dealer) but Hurst got so behind schedule only around 600 cars actually had the T-Top option.
About 3,000 50th Anniversay models were slated for production (about 1 per Pontiac dealer) but Hurst got so behind schedule only around 600 cars actually had the T-Top option.
#55
Re: Will the new Camaro be able to have a t-top option?
Originally Posted by CalicoJack
Rear quarter windows existed for three years, t-tops for over 20 years. Which is a bigger part of the Camaro heritage?
And this is the basis for my next argument.
67-92 - (25 YEARS)
93-02 - (NINE YEARS)
No cup holders is part of Camaro heritage!! (atleast not standard)
#56
Re: Will the new Camaro be able to have a t-top option?
Originally Posted by CalicoJack
Rear quarter windows existed for three years, t-tops for over 20 years. Which is a bigger part of the Camaro heritage?
Some people need to quit living in the 1970's and 1980's. T-tops are old school. I could see a body colored targa top like the Corvette, but glass t-tops? Too disco.
#57
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
T-tops are old school.
#58
Re: Will the new Camaro be able to have a t-top option?
Originally Posted by jg95z28
The mullet and mall hair are big parts of the Camaro heritage too. Do you want to bring those back as well?
Some people need to quit living in the 1970's and 1980's. T-tops are old school. I could see a body colored targa top like the Corvette, but glass t-tops? Too disco.
I don't know what a targa top would weigh, but for mass-produced everyday driven car, a heavy or awkward top that requires two people to safely remove might not be a smart option.
I'm not sold that t-tops are a 70's/80's fad either that can't be incorporated in today's market.
#59
Re: Will the new Camaro be able to have a t-top option?
Originally Posted by jrp4uc
The technical needs and styling compromises (of a b-pillar) will be the same t-top or targa.
I don't know what a targa top would weigh, but for mass-produced everyday driven car, a heavy or awkward top that requires two people to safely remove might not be a smart option.
I'm not sold that t-tops are a 70's/80's fad either that can't be incorporated in today's market.
I don't know what a targa top would weigh, but for mass-produced everyday driven car, a heavy or awkward top that requires two people to safely remove might not be a smart option.
I'm not sold that t-tops are a 70's/80's fad either that can't be incorporated in today's market.
I know a convertible would solve the problem of being able to put the top up at will, but I don't like the way a convertible top ruins the look of the car (IMO). And the fact that they are much more expensive than TTops doesn't help either. Oh, and let's not forget the added cost to insure a convertible...
Also, would storing TTops in the trunk be more difficult without the hatch type?
Call me 'old school' but I'll take my new Camaro with TTops, and find a hatch style trunk far more functional than a small trunklid that I can't actually fit anything thru.
Whoever it was that said they should make the edge of the TTop above the door body color so it keeps it's solid appearance from the side has the right idea. I was thinking the same thing.