Scott,

Since all of our compaints/concerns/requests/etc. have already been discussed here about the PRODUCT, I'd like to move in a different direction and talk about the SALES..... Maybe you could drop a line in the sales/marketing or distribution departments for us:

We all know when Camaros start to trickle in to dealerships, every dealer is going to have some insipid $10,000 markup on it, or add every conceivable accessory from wheel locks to paint sealant to "smoker's package" and pin stripes. Is there any way GM could take the carpet right out from underneath every scheister dealership by keeping supply up to demand from the very beginning? Instead of trickling a couple Camaros here and there, why not wait untill you have enough produced (or start early enough), send them to all the dealers at the same time, and keep up with demand?

Nothing would kill the infamous "market price adjustment" than for 2 of every Camaro, from base stripped out V6 to loaded up V8, to be on every dealer lot ready for a test drive and to be purchased and taken home the same day.

That's not to say I would ever pay sticker or above for any car. It would just enable me to do so sooner than having to wait through the first year when idiots with more money than brains would gladly pay BMW 5-Series cash for a $25,000 car, thereby justifying the whole "supply and demand" excuse.

You know demand will be high, so build enough of them to keep prices in check. That's all I'm asking. Thanks.

 

dont get me wrong, I would like to see that too, but it just isnt good business sense.

They have to wait and see what the demand is, they dont want to make 100,000 cars and then only sell 10,000 and then just have 90,000 of them sitting on lots for hundreds of days.

 

You could always order one, if that's the case. The dealer can't have any reason to mark it up (at least the way i see it) is you spec it out right in front of him. "No, I didn't order a smoker's package, or wheel locks."

And there will undoubtedly be some dealers who won't mark it up. I mean, if they're smart, they're the ones that'll be making money.

Does GM/Chevrolet actually have anything to do with that either? I have no idea, just asking...

 

even if it were possible theoretically.

That would mean that everyone who wanted one would get one immediately. The market would be flooded and the value collapse.

 

I'm sure GM wants to get out as many Camaro's as possible. But supply and demand do take over. In the begining the plant won't be able to keep up and dealers will take advantage. I blame then dealers and the buyers whom pay the extra cash to have the first one. I'd rather have afew Camaro's on lots then GM waiting longer to build up the numbers and ship at once.

 

I will be purchasing one, and I will NOT pay over sticker for one. If I have to spend a few hundred bucks to fly somewhere that doesn't have a markup and drive it back I'll do it no problem

 

welll -- assuming it COULD be done (and it can't -- the carrying costs to put a slew of Camaros somewhere in a field would be staggering -- not to mention what would happen to paint as they sat in the weather for months and months -- ) -- we'd delay getting you your Camaro for at least a year or more.

Ste. Therese built (toward the end) 35 jph -- at one time we were up around 50........at that rate -- we'd have to build for at least a year -- and frankly, we're hopeful that the demand would mean the cars would disappear quite quickly.

It's called the law of supply and demand. This same law is the reason why you see high rebates on vehicles now and then.........

And no, we can't put a stop to dealers putting addendums on cars and trucks -- it is illegal to do so because it's 'price fixing' and one can go to jail for that.

(sorry -- I don't want to end up in the big house!)

 

I think a better plea to GM as a whole is to never again let our beloved Camaro slip into a place where it could fail or be put on hiatis again. We are here, interest is high and if we agree to put cold hard cash down for this car make sure that GM keeps the agreement to keep the car updated and current. Never again let it slip away and make our wait so long.

 

Why not punish dealers who put exorbitant markups on a car by not giving them any? If they want to sell a hot car, they have to do it by staying as close to MSRP as possible.

 

First off, hi guys I'm new, been lurking a while and decided to register.

Things is, and I'm not quite sure this is the right thread but it seemed as good as any, what I'm concerned about mostly is how long it will take for us outside of the US to get it. I live in Sweden and desperatly want one of the 2010 Camaro's but I have to face the fact that I will have to wait a while for it to get here and for me to get one. I have no idea of how long it will take, but probably not earlier then the fall of 2009, and maybe that's even having a bit of wishful thinking. And don't get me started on the pricing markup, that's gonna be a bit due to import costs and such. So my concern is really: is GM even thinking about the foreign markets or is it just focus on the US market?

And for you guys over in the US remember that it could be worse

 

Bob Lutz: The man behind the Solstice! He also spearheaded the promotion of the Solstice. The "Apprentice Show" marketing had you watch the show, get an special number then go to your local dealer and try to be only 1 out of 1000 first owners. I was lucky enough to be one of the first thousand. I meet Mr. Lutz in Detroit for the presentation of S/N #0001 (not mine), I ask him with all the hype behind the the Solstice (good & bad), would they do another promotional luanch like this agian, he replied "in a heart beat". So.....just be prepared for anything, that marketing sceem worked very well.

 

If manufacturers like Nike and Levi's can set a minimum advertised price why can't GM set a maximum advertised price?
I don't see how one is price fixing and the other isn't.

 

They are opposite. One is saying you can't go below a certain cost. The other is saying you can't make too much of a profit.

And, as we all know, business is all about profit. If you tell them they can't make a profit on such a hot product as the Camaro will undoubtedly be, they will get very, very upset. Whereas, if you tell them they have to make a minimum profit (that every store has to make), they will be quite happy with that. And, let's not forget, jeans and cars are very different products.

After all, the GM dealerships need all the money they can get right now, so you better believe they will try everything in their power to get every penny they can.

It is sad, but it is just the nature of the beast.

Now, I wonder what online places like carsdirect.com could do (if they aren't just brokers for local dealerships).......

 

^^^ Me too.

 

Carsdirect.com is just a third party broker.

At this point they are more of a lead provider.