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Old 08-07-2008 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 8Banger
Say what? $40,000 for the SS. Where you getting that price?
I wasnt giving an exact price, thats just what I figure the price will be close to, give or take. My thinking is that the price will be comperable to a Challenger or Charger SRT8 which is in the $40,000 range. I know that they are saying that it will be in line with comperable Mustang pricing but the 300 hp GT Mustang is not comperable to the 400+ SS so I think they will be higher than the $29,000 GT in my opnion. My guess is that a fully loaded top of the line SS will be around $42,000 but obviously thats just my thinking and opinion. I hope for all of our sakes that I am way off on this but I doubt it.

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Old 08-08-2008 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Maro98
My guess is that a fully loaded top of the line SS will be around $42,000 but obviously thats just my thinking and opinion. I hope for all of our sakes that I am way off on this but I doubt it.
You did actually read my post before yours, right?
Old 08-08-2008 | 08:21 AM
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Neither.

Turbo or supercharge an SS.



Well, anyway...

That might not be an option, so let's look at your idea a little closer:

Modding the V6 like that is going to have some problems:

1) Compression. It's too high to effectively implement forced induction. You'll have to swap out the pistons to get the compression low enough to then make forced induction practicible.

2) There isn't going to be much aftermarket support for your endeavor. Tuning is going to be problematic.

3) It's not really built for it. Expect to grenade parts.

If you really want to have fun for less on a smaller displacement motor, a Solstice GXP coupe with the 260hp motor is going to be a better bet. It's built for forced induction as is, there will be significant aftermarket support, and it's lighter (more bang for you $$$).
Old 08-08-2008 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by JasonD
You did actually read my post before yours, right?
Yeah I did I, I still think the pricing will be around $40,000 though. I guess time will tell. You know it would be cool if we could set up some kind of contest to see who could guess closest to the starting price for an SS. Anyway thanks for everyones opinions I will just stay away from trying to SC the V6 and just get a SS or used C6.
Old 08-08-2008 | 04:04 PM
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Yeah I did I, I still think the pricing will be around $40,000 though. I guess time will tell. You know it would be cool if we could set up some kind of contest to see who could guess closest to the starting price for an SS.
Or...are you interested in a friendly wager?

Anyway thanks for everyones opinions I will just stay away from trying to SC the V6 and just get a SS or used C6.
Not a bad idea. I would wait until those prices come out, though.
Old 08-08-2008 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Maro98
Yeah I did I, I still think the pricing will be around $40,000 though.
Originally Posted by JasonD
Or...are you interested in a friendly wager?
As long as everyone's talking MSRP and NOT markups. It could be 50k if idiots are willing to pay it. My money's on about $30,500 plus options.

Anyway..back on topic. I looked into FI and it looks more economical (for me, anyway) to just go cam, intake, exhaust, tune. I'd be happy with that kind of HP for the money.

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Old 08-08-2008 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by PacerX
Neither.

Turbo or supercharge an SS.



Well, anyway...

That might not be an option, so let's look at your idea a little closer:

Modding the V6 like that is going to have some problems:

1) Compression. It's too high to effectively implement forced induction. You'll have to swap out the pistons to get the compression low enough to then make forced induction practicible.

2) There isn't going to be much aftermarket support for your endeavor. Tuning is going to be problematic.

3) It's not really built for it. Expect to grenade parts.

If you really want to have fun for less on a smaller displacement motor, a Solstice GXP coupe with the 260hp motor is going to be a better bet. It's built for forced induction as is, there will be significant aftermarket support, and it's lighter (more bang for you $$$).
It can be done to add a turbo or an SC on the DI V6 matter of fact there are working on one now for the CTS. The High compression is just a mere hurdle in development FI. You see Superchargers and turbos on Diesel engines. I will not be surprise if there is more aftermarket support for the V6 than the V8 due to the innovative secrets the DI V6 holds.
Old 08-08-2008 | 04:55 PM
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Judging by what Fbodfather has posted about it not being 37,000 and being comparable to a Mustang, plus the option prices that were in the survey, I don't think a loaded SS will cost 42,000, I think it will be a good bit less.

Regardless of what it will cost, as others have pointed out, supercharging or turboing a 1st year car is not my idea of a good time. Not because I expect the Camaro to have 1st year bugs, but because I don't think the aftermarket will really have a handle on how to best add forced induction to the car in the 1st year.

For example, if you put a heads and cam package or a blower on your 98 LS1 in 1998, you didn't end up with as much drivability and power as could be had with a circa 2005 heads & cam setup or blower. Simply because after the car had been out for a while, the aftermarket got more proficient at extracting power, and more parts became available as well.
Old 08-08-2008 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PacerX
Neither.

Turbo or supercharge an SS.



Well, anyway...

That might not be an option, so let's look at your idea a little closer:

Modding the V6 like that is going to have some problems:

1) Compression. It's too high to effectively implement forced induction. You'll have to swap out the pistons to get the compression low enough to then make forced induction practicible.

2) There isn't going to be much aftermarket support for your endeavor. Tuning is going to be problematic.

3) It's not really built for it. Expect to grenade parts.

If you really want to have fun for less on a smaller displacement motor, a Solstice GXP coupe with the 260hp motor is going to be a better bet. It's built for forced induction as is, there will be significant aftermarket support, and it's lighter (more bang for you $$$).
The DI V6 does have a pretty high compression ratio, but GM recommends regular gas. This means that if you are okay with having to buy premium you can safely add a fair amount of boost, more than you could with an LS3 for instance.

FWIW: I think that the secret to the high compression with cheap gas is: oil squirters cooling the pistons and DOHC VVT would allow the computer to reduce the effective compression ratio if the knock sensors go off.

I would love a TT DI V6 Camaro (or maybe a Mustang), but I think I’ll wait for a factory unit or a few years of aftermarket experience.
Old 08-10-2008 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by TTopJohn
Judging by what Fbodfather has posted about it not being 37,000 and being comparable to a Mustang, plus the option prices that were in the survey, I don't think a loaded SS will cost 42,000, I think it will be a good bit less.

Regardless of what it will cost, as others have pointed out, supercharging or turboing a 1st year car is not my idea of a good time. Not because I expect the Camaro to have 1st year bugs, but because I don't think the aftermarket will really have a handle on how to best add forced induction to the car in the 1st year.

For example, if you put a heads and cam package or a blower on your 98 LS1 in 1998, you didn't end up with as much drivability and power as could be had with a circa 2005 heads & cam setup or blower. Simply because after the car had been out for a while, the aftermarket got more proficient at extracting power, and more parts became available as well.

who cares if thatll be the first year of the camaro. THE ENGINE will already have been out for a few years. In 98' the LS1 was only 1 year old and that style engine was new entirely to the aftermarket. Much different scenario
Old 08-10-2008 | 07:14 AM
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since its pretty much the same car as the G8 and GXP i expect the Camaro to be priced very similar to it. 2 less doors yes, but the styling is a lil more sporty as well.With the AUTOMATIC Camaros being closer to the G8 in price and the Manual LS3 in the GXP range.
Old 08-10-2008 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
since its pretty much the same car as the G8 and GXP i expect the Camaro to be priced very similar to it. 2 less doors yes, but the styling is a lil more sporty as well.With the AUTOMATIC Camaros being closer to the G8 in price and the Manual LS3 in the GXP range.
Why would the manuals be more? Seems like it should be the other way around. Is the L99 in anything else? The LS3 is shared with at least the Corvette which should make it cheaper than the L99 (if this is the only car it is used in) and aren't manuals usually standard and automatics are option$
Old 08-10-2008 | 01:04 PM
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Why would the manuals be more? Seems like it should be the other way around. Is the L99 in anything else? The LS3 is shared with at least the Corvette which should make it cheaper than the L99 (if this is the only car it is used in) and aren't manuals usually standard and automatics are option$
Maybe this gen but not last gen! The manual was more expensive. I did not buy my 3rd gen new so I dont know if it was that way then.
Old 08-10-2008 | 02:47 PM
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Maybe this gen but not last gen! The manual was more expensive. I did not buy my 3rd gen new so I dont know if it was that way then.
On 3rd gens the 700r4 was damn close to $1000 more than the t-5's on the 305 cars . The Later LS1 4th gens the manual was a no cost option . And last I saw on the Corvette , the new ( way more advance than a 4L65e ) 6 speed auto is again back to hefty premium over the t-56 ....$12xx option on the last auto Vette I looked at .

Originally Posted by polo3433
I will not be surprise if there is more aftermarket support for the V6 than the V8 due to the innovative secrets the DI V6 holds.
The LS engines in the new Camaro already benefit from one of the largest aftermarket bases in the industry . I do think though , this time around ....there will be PLENTY of people playing with the V6 model as a preference over the V8 .
Old 08-10-2008 | 06:07 PM
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The LS engines in the new Camaro already benefit from one of the largest aftermarket bases in the industry . I do think though , this time around ....there will be PLENTY of people playing with the V6 model as a preference over the V8 .
why do people lump the "LS" engines together if their parts are not even fully interchangeable?



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