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Old 07-13-2011 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by King Moose SS
I'm going to guess 600, even though I won't win a prize pack with that number now
Assuming that is the correct number. For all we know, it will be 666.
Old 07-13-2011 | 01:55 PM
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Assuming that is the correct number. For all we know, it will be 666.
hmmmm... that explains why the show car is always red.

Very clever GM

Old 07-13-2011 | 02:34 PM
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I think you are going to be surprised. The Z06 weighs 3200 lbs, probably 800-900 lbs less than the ZL1. The 505 hp Z06 will almost surely slaughter a ZL1 in any speed contest (just as the 436 hp base Vette will run more or less even with a 550 hp GT500 or a 556 hp CTS-V), so the horsepower number is a bit irrelevant.
I know all that my friend. I wasn't implying either would be "faster"; it comes down to the impression for the "elite" (said biting my tongue) Z06 Corvette boys that some lowly Camaro has topped them in some way. Chevy has yet to let that happen...
Old 07-13-2011 | 02:47 PM
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I know all that my friend. I wasn't implying either would be "faster"; it comes down to the impression for the "elite" (said biting my tongue) Z06 Corvette boys that some lowly Camaro has topped them in some way. Chevy has yet to let that happen...
Ah, I see. You are right, they used to not want any car to outpower the Vette, but I think those rules have gone away somewhat. I know the CTS-V isn't a Chevy, but it's in the same family...Plus, even at 505 hp, the ZL1 would still be ahead of the base / Grand Sport Vette. Not sure why the line would have to be drawn at Z06 level.

I do see your point, but I for one would be absolutely stunned if they hyped the ZL1 with the LSA (which makes 556 hp in its sole installation so far) and then delivered the car with a 10% drop in power. Hopefully we'll see soon enough!
Old 07-13-2011 | 03:21 PM
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Old 07-13-2011 | 03:25 PM
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620. one hundred hp per liter. Would be nice but I doubt it and since everything in the 570 range is taken then this my stab at it.
Old 07-13-2011 | 03:26 PM
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Old 07-13-2011 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
Ah, I see. You are right, they used to not want any car to outpower the Vette, but I think those rules have gone away somewhat. I know the CTS-V isn't a Chevy, but it's in the same family...Plus, even at 505 hp, the ZL1 would still be ahead of the base / Grand Sport Vette. Not sure why the line would have to be drawn at Z06 level.

I do see your point, but I for one would be absolutely stunned if they hyped the ZL1 with the LSA (which makes 556 hp in its sole installation so far) and then delivered the car with a 10% drop in power. Hopefully we'll see soon enough!
IMO only, but the Z06 boys are mostly paying 19-25k more than a base Vette for the engine/performance upgrades. To have a Camaro provide more HP and most likely comparable handling characteristics for arguably less money ( no one is going to pay 20k more for a ZL1 in my little world ), is kind of a slap in the face to them.
Old 07-13-2011 | 03:59 PM
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Old 07-13-2011 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by trm0002
IMO only, but the Z06 boys are mostly paying 19-25k more than a base Vette for the engine/performance upgrades. To have a Camaro provide more HP and most likely comparable handling characteristics for arguably less money ( no one is going to pay 20k more for a ZL1 in my little world ), is kind of a slap in the face to them.
There is not a snowballs chance in hell that the ZL1 camaro will have comparable handling characteristics to a Z06 Corvette, or even a Grand Sport.
Old 07-13-2011 | 04:20 PM
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There is not a snowballs chance in hell that the ZL1 camaro will have comparable handling characteristics to a Z06 Corvette, or even a Grand Sport.
They aren't just going to (supposedly) throw all that horsepower in just to go in a straight line. The handling may not match the Z06 (or even the Coupe/Grand Sport) tit for tat, but it'll be night and day to a current SS Camaro and it will approach Corvette range- I'd personally bank on it.
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Old 07-13-2011 | 05:31 PM
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Old 07-13-2011 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by trm0002
They aren't just going to (supposedly) throw all that horsepower in just to go in a straight line. The handling may not match the Z06 (or even the Coupe/Grand Sport) tit for tat, but it'll be night and day to a current SS Camaro and it will approach Corvette range- I'd personally bank on it.
It's going to handle very similarly to the CTS-V.

There is no way to make a 4000lb car handle like a 3200lb car with a significantly lower center of gravity. Period. They won't feel remotely alike in handling. The Camaro may be able to come close in terms of lateral acceleration, but all other measures of handling (transient response, low speed corners, etc) will fall significantly short. There is no way to deny physics.

That's not to say that the handling will be bad - it wont. It'll be stellar, especially for the weight, because the Camaro platform is inherently extremely stiff. But it's not going to be anything like a Corvette. Handling isn't just about lateral acceleration (that's mostly a function of suspension geometry and tires).

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20 more than the CTS-V!

So 576!


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