Personally, I think this thread and threads like it are chock full of useful and constructive info. I may email it to John Fitzpatrick or Gene Stefanyshyn - if they haven't already seen it.

 

Well you guys know how much of a Chevy fanboy I am. Although I've bought (and sold) a couple Mustangs in the past 5 years (my son's) I've always had a distaste for the Mustang and have always preferred Camaros. However the negative experience Chevrolet dealers have typically been giving potential buyers (I've had similar experiences) has totally turned me off on Camaro. Besides, the 2010 Mustang is much better looking than its predecessor IMHO. I am now not considering purchasing until after the first of the year. By that time most of the greedy dealers should be out of business, and we'll have a better idea on HUD, the convertible, and a possible Z/28. I'm not hesitant to hang onto my money and wait for the CTS Coupe, or may even step down to the Mustang if I can find a decent Ford dealer locally.

Anyway, I need to help Mom buy her car first and still need to sell a car for my mother-in-law, so first things first.

 

Theres quite a few young girls showing off their new Camaro on youtube . My 57 yr old mom is absolute in with them , enuff to be considering trading off her 30K mile 2000 grand am gt . Prices have to come down around here though , a 2LT v6 is selling for right about what sticker is on 1SS with a couple options . You can even see one locally , everyone that comes in is a presale still . You gotta get close to Chicago with the bigger volume dealers that actually have some stock .

 

Mostly male is what I've seen myself and one female F5 owner (a very nice black car))

 

No doubt. Any criticism is constructive criticism.

The only thing is... when there is invariably a slow automotive news day we tend to dwell on the same smaller, lighter concept that's been done to death and considered almost unattainable given the Camaro's target market.

The saddest part is it always comes from some of the more experienced members of the forum... and it's the same story almost every thread. How many more times do we need to hear the pleas again? It's not like we're deaf.

Can we at least talk about other exciting stuff out there?

Just a suggestion.

 

Until they get it right

 

I would suggest that complaining about "weight threads" or those related to the same isn't going to make them go away.

Complaining is complaining - no matter if it is complaining about weight, or complaining about those that are complaining about weight.

 

Exactly.

I know some just want to toe the party line, but no one is served if opinions are not freely exchanged. Especially by people like us. I mean, Jenny the receptionist isn't going say, the steering seems artificially heavy, yet numb in some circumstances - she just won't like it and buy something else.

Anyway, voicing an opinion, sharing first hand impressions are of value - especially to GM.

BTW, John Fitzpatrick let me know he is looking at this thread, so to those of you (and we all know who you are), who make a habit of pissing all over a thread until it's locked, don't do it to this one.

 

Since he's reading three things:

Reverse lights- They remind me of the 3rdgen(and 4th) F-body exhaust. Looks like they designed the entire car and said "Oh $#%&! Where are we going to put this?!?"

Z28 - Hurry up. We need a "handling" package even if it is called something else.

Mailslot- I love it on the SS, but its ruining the hood aftermarket for the car. Something to keep in mind.

 

Guy, how many times do I have to correct you on this before you stop getting it wrong? In 2009, the Challenger was better than the Mustang but worse than the Camaro. In 2010, with the updated engine, the Challenger improves, but it is not better than the SS. The SS automatic gets the same 25mpg on the highway as the R/T automatic, and the SS manual gets the same 24mpg on the highway as the R/T manual. The Mustang still lags behind in this area (which I find very interesting considering the lower weight and horsepower).

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/bymod...t_Camaro.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/bymod...allenger.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/bymod..._Mustang.shtml


Comparing base prices is all well and good, but I have only ever seen one Camaro LS, and it was at a dealership, so I can make no assumptions about sales of such cars. I see lots of 2LTs, and those start at 27k. Still a pretty amazing deal IMO, but I think we're doing ourselves a disservice to pretend that the LS is the one we should use when comparing prices.

I've had the opposite experience. Of roughly ten 2010's in my area, I think seven or eight are driven by women, including a few SSes.

 

I have yet to see a Camaro priced for under $30k in the SF Bay Area. Even the 2LTs around here seem to be going for mid-30s, while most of the SS models are priced from the mid-40s on up.

 

But if i remember correctly, in almost all of the reviews/tests i've read, the GT's actually got better observed figures than the other 2. Odd.

Mustang is also geared more aggressively and is packing 5 forward gears in both auto and manual form vs the camaro's 6. That probably explains why it's Epa figures are rated lower despite having 100+hp and 300lbs of weight less than the SS. Next yrs upgraded powertrain will probably boost the #'s up a bit.

 

There are lots of ways to game the EPA tests. IIRC, they shift at fixed speeds, so changing the axle ratio can have a significant effect, as it causes a car to run at a higher or RPM at all times. In real life, the driver will usually compensate for a higher ratio by shifting earlier.

Thus, the skipshift helps in the EPA tests, while it doesn't help at all in real life for most drivers. The 3.73 in the Mustang would hurt in the EPA test, but in real life, unless you do a lot of highway driving, it probably will not hurt.

 

Charlie!

On 9/4/09 at approx. 5:11pm, my cellphone started to ring..........

........and kept ringing!


Glad you drove one.

A couple of things: I'd be interested to see your take on a base Camaro.

I recently had the pleasure to take a base LS with Zero options around the track at Spring Mountain. With the exception of the fact that it had not been reflashed to address a lag in throttle feedback (it was built in December...) I was quite surprised at how well it handled -- I know we put a more compliant suspension on this car -- but I (along with a couple of others) found ourselves fascinated.......

As you also probably know, the past year put a lot of things on 'hold' -- so I think you may see some of the stuff you've been asking for.........


Oh - and Boxerperson -- you have email!

 

And I'd be interested to give you that take.


BTW, who called you?