Originally Posted by HOTCIVIC

FYI - the LS2 C6 with the A6 tranny has gone 12.2 bone stock. I'm sure the LS3 C6 will go even quicker.

Edit: Actually after a bit of research, here are the fastest showroom stock LS3s so far:

11.71 @ 119.94 - AndrewZPSU - 08 M6
12.16 @ 116.54 - Vinsane112 - 08 A6 2.73
12.18 @ 117.72 - Hardhattg - 08 Z51 M6

So given that, I'd say it's very likely someone will hit 12s in a stock Camaro SS. A good driver at a track like Atco or E-town in good, cool air will get it done.

Originally Posted by HOTCIVIC

I'm thinking the 03/04 Cobra might be a good benchmark for the Camaro. The Cobra was rated 390 at the crank, but was underrated. Many people put down 360 to 370 rwhp bone stock. The Camaro is rated at 422, and will probably not be underrated if it's SAE certified, but will still put down 360 to 370 rwhp stock. The Cobra coupe's curb weight was 3665, whereas the Camaro will be 3860. So right there that's 200 lbs the Camaro gives up to the Cobra, which is worth about .2 and 2 mph in the quarter mile. The Cobra and Camaro both have IRS, and the Cobra I believe had 17 inch wheels while the Camaro will have 20 inch, both at 9 inches wide on the rear. So I'm thinking traction should be similar - it might be tougher for the Camaro with the 20 inch wheels. Another difference would be the weight distribution, which favors the Camaro 52/48 versus 57/43 for the Cobra. (I'm not sure how much weight distribution comes into play in drag racing - more weight on the rear wheels may = better traction?)

The only other factor I can think of is torque management. I don't believe it was much of a factor on the 03 Cobras, but we know that the LS2 GTOs had a VERY tough time because of computers pulling timing due to torque management - even on the 6 speed cars. I haven't seen a problem so far with the LS3 Vettes, so maybe GM has fixed that issue.

Given all that, if you look at what 03 Cobras ran, many were in the 13s stock with average drivers. But there were many in the upper to mid 12s in cool air with good drivers, and the fastest bone stock time for an 03 Cobra was 12.4 @ 114~ mph. Given that, it may not be unrealistic for the SS to run 12.6 - 12.8 @ 110 to 112 stock with a great driver in cool air.

Originally Posted by 99SilverSS

THose are some very impressive times and speeds for stock LS3 Vettes. Where did you dig up this info? I'm not doubting just curious to read more about them.

Originally Posted by TrickStang37

you have to remember that the Cobra also has a little better gearing. The majority of the SS's will be stuck in 13 land as were the GTO's. The avg LS3 corvette traps 115ish, the average SS will probably be 109's.

Originally Posted by TrickStang37

you have to remember that the Cobra also has a little better gearing. The majority of the SS's will be stuck in 13 land as were the GTO's.

Originally Posted by 99SilverSS

The majority of showroom stock 03-04 Cobra's live in that land too.

Originally Posted by 81Z28355

I guess if all you are looking at is a drag car then you are right why buy a new Camaro, but if you are looing for a car that will be a much better car than the 4th gen I think its def. worth it. The 4th gen needed some work on comfort and quality the 5th gen I am sure will address all of this and the speed will be there. So in my opinion the 5th gen should be as fast or faster and be twice the car quality, comfort and maybe even fit a cooler in the trunk wise.

Originally Posted by HOTCIVIC

Bench racing at it's finest.

Originally Posted by Shawn 97 Z28 M6

If my 4700+ lb SUV can run low 12's, 11's will be a cakewalk with a cammed LS3 Camaro.

'Course.... There's only one way to find out

Originally Posted by The Highlander

Yeah and z06s have gone 10.89@13x.00 mph... its not the norm...

They are 12.4-12.5 car @ 115mph... same thing will happen to the camaro..

The 2006 Z06 according to MT was 11.7@125 and the c6 08 was 12.5@115. The camaro will not be an exception to physics.

Originally Posted by The Highlander

Its all we can do because the camaro is not out yet.... or is it??? isn't the idea of the whole post to bench race the camaro?

Originally Posted by 99SilverSS

Didn't you have some times and speeds of the pre-pro LS3 SS in action at GM? I remember them being quite quick.