Who's in for a V6 performance package?
#32
V6 performance ?
No thanks....to me a Camaro has to have a performance V8 to even be worth owning.
The last and only real "performance V6" from GM was last installed 20+years ago in the 86-87 intercooled Grand National/Regal T-Type.
Bring that monster back and MAYBE I'd be interested.
NOTHING less than that would interest me if it had less thn 8 cylinders.
No thanks....to me a Camaro has to have a performance V8 to even be worth owning.
The last and only real "performance V6" from GM was last installed 20+years ago in the 86-87 intercooled Grand National/Regal T-Type.
Bring that monster back and MAYBE I'd be interested.
NOTHING less than that would interest me if it had less thn 8 cylinders.
In reality, V6's today are a much more accepted and respected engine platform than in the past. They also have less of the negative stigma in regards to insurance and gas mileage despite many conflicting facts.
You'd be suprised how many people are just "Camaro" fans instead of just "V8" fans. And scion has shown us that customization and options can sell even the most underperforming car.
So i say, give the V6's some gusto options! It can only make the V8s seem all the more iconic so we can hear;
"Man! If the V6 can run like this, i cant imagine how fast the V8 is!"
#33
Its a perfect window for an RS package. I belive that the Pony Package comes with the GT's suspension?
First, define a "base" V6 Camaro? Where would it start?
If we have a 275hp 3.6 V6 Camaro, I assume that the suspension will already be pretty tight as they want to make a solid car all around. An RS package could include an appearance package along with the SS's suspension upgrades, this deeming that the trim levels go LS/RS/SS/Z28. But handling is more then just some sway bars. How about upgrade the wheels? Would base come with 16's? If thats so, RS package could give us 17's as well. Now, we have 17 inch rims, bigger sway bars and a lower center of gravity, gfx...this is much more then 500 bucks. I would think that this might be more along the line of 1500 bucks, which IMO, would take it to 26-28k.
There are a hundred different ways you can go with trim levels. What would a base LS come with? I would assume that a upgraded mega-watt stereo will be another 600 dollar options. What about navigation? I guess it would be good to have as an option, but a costly one at probably 1500 bucks for the total package. I think that Camaro could/should be done like the new Malibu. That trim levels could be had at both V6 and V8 models, except for z28. RS would probably come with sporty seats from the SS...basicly it would be the SS non-supercharged version of the Camaro. Only thing that would seperate the RS from the SS is the V8 engine. You should be able to option both out along the same lines. Give the option to people who want a performing 6cyl Camaro. Not everyone who spends 28k will want the V8, but they have the option.
First, define a "base" V6 Camaro? Where would it start?
If we have a 275hp 3.6 V6 Camaro, I assume that the suspension will already be pretty tight as they want to make a solid car all around. An RS package could include an appearance package along with the SS's suspension upgrades, this deeming that the trim levels go LS/RS/SS/Z28. But handling is more then just some sway bars. How about upgrade the wheels? Would base come with 16's? If thats so, RS package could give us 17's as well. Now, we have 17 inch rims, bigger sway bars and a lower center of gravity, gfx...this is much more then 500 bucks. I would think that this might be more along the line of 1500 bucks, which IMO, would take it to 26-28k.
There are a hundred different ways you can go with trim levels. What would a base LS come with? I would assume that a upgraded mega-watt stereo will be another 600 dollar options. What about navigation? I guess it would be good to have as an option, but a costly one at probably 1500 bucks for the total package. I think that Camaro could/should be done like the new Malibu. That trim levels could be had at both V6 and V8 models, except for z28. RS would probably come with sporty seats from the SS...basicly it would be the SS non-supercharged version of the Camaro. Only thing that would seperate the RS from the SS is the V8 engine. You should be able to option both out along the same lines. Give the option to people who want a performing 6cyl Camaro. Not everyone who spends 28k will want the V8, but they have the option.
#34
You have a legitimate point, and I myself will never own another V6 camaro, but remember there will be more V6's than V8's on the road so guys like us have limited input on the subject.
In reality, V6's today are a much more accepted and respected engine platform than in the past. They also have less of the negative stigma in regards to insurance and gas mileage despite many conflicting facts.
You'd be suprised how many people are just "Camaro" fans instead of just "V8" fans.
So i say, give the V6's some gusto options! It can only make the V8s seem all the more iconic so we can hear;
"Man! If the V6 can run like this, i cant imagine how fast the V8 is!"
In reality, V6's today are a much more accepted and respected engine platform than in the past. They also have less of the negative stigma in regards to insurance and gas mileage despite many conflicting facts.
You'd be suprised how many people are just "Camaro" fans instead of just "V8" fans.
So i say, give the V6's some gusto options! It can only make the V8s seem all the more iconic so we can hear;
"Man! If the V6 can run like this, i cant imagine how fast the V8 is!"
#35
^^^agreed (and a fellow halo 2 fan eh?)
So heres what i have gathered from this thread for a V6 performance package
1) No more than 500-750 dollars
2) Only available on top V6 engine
3) Some sort of suspension upgrade
4) Some sort of visual addition (stripes, sideskirt, wheels, etc)
5) A minimal but significant power upgrade (intake, muffler, reflash, etc)
I can definately see a business case for this, especially after the success of the G85 performance package on the supercharged cobalts, but i don't forsee it being less than a thousand dollars because the performance package on the balt only got two add-ons (recaros and LSD) and it was 1500 bucks!!
So heres what i have gathered from this thread for a V6 performance package
1) No more than 500-750 dollars
2) Only available on top V6 engine
3) Some sort of suspension upgrade
4) Some sort of visual addition (stripes, sideskirt, wheels, etc)
5) A minimal but significant power upgrade (intake, muffler, reflash, etc)
I can definately see a business case for this, especially after the success of the G85 performance package on the supercharged cobalts, but i don't forsee it being less than a thousand dollars because the performance package on the balt only got two add-ons (recaros and LSD) and it was 1500 bucks!!
#36
as a current v6 owner I would love to see something like this, I took my base firebird and upgraded the exhaust, added an SLP takeoff LSD, hurst shifter, and a few other goodies. I would love to have a car that doesn't look any different from the base but gives me a little better launch and handling that goes along with the efficency of my v6
BUT for 500 - 750?? I just don't see that happening, the more options that are added the profit margin grows exponentially because the markup percentage increases. And with the cost of gas these days a high performance v6 "MIGHT" be in pretty good demand which means MORE dealer markup.
*EDIT* just looked at my sig, haven't posted here in quite a while much less changed that sig file
BUT for 500 - 750?? I just don't see that happening, the more options that are added the profit margin grows exponentially because the markup percentage increases. And with the cost of gas these days a high performance v6 "MIGHT" be in pretty good demand which means MORE dealer markup.
*EDIT* just looked at my sig, haven't posted here in quite a while much less changed that sig file
Last edited by black98v6; 01-31-2007 at 11:26 PM. Reason: saw my sig
#38
Though i agree it will be a hit, targeting the tuner crowd would be a mistake. GM simply has to many other "tuner-targeting" products ranging from the balts, to the solstice, sky, and G5 vehicles (and a rumored HHR SS ).
They would not want to canibalize potential top model sales just to sell a lowly base model with some kick. As we all know, the profit is in the SS models, not the LS/LT models.
Tuners want as much "go-fast" as they can get away with for the least amount of money. So buying a V6 camaro with options such as this is not going to be an option. They are either going to step up to the Base V8 or are just going to choose another cheaper vehicle.
Its simply just cheaper and easier to mod a forced induction four cylinder than it is to mod a heavy naturally aspirated V6.
They would not want to canibalize potential top model sales just to sell a lowly base model with some kick. As we all know, the profit is in the SS models, not the LS/LT models.
Tuners want as much "go-fast" as they can get away with for the least amount of money. So buying a V6 camaro with options such as this is not going to be an option. They are either going to step up to the Base V8 or are just going to choose another cheaper vehicle.
Its simply just cheaper and easier to mod a forced induction four cylinder than it is to mod a heavy naturally aspirated V6.
#39
Rally Sport is an appearance option. Period.
However, don't make any assumptions at this point in terms of what appearances COULD include!
(there's that winkie thing going again for those of you who are obsessed with such things!)
(opera windows and padded vinyl top are a definite 'no!')
However, don't make any assumptions at this point in terms of what appearances COULD include!
(there's that winkie thing going again for those of you who are obsessed with such things!)
(opera windows and padded vinyl top are a definite 'no!')
Last edited by 5thgen69camaro; 02-01-2007 at 04:48 PM.
#41
yeah take the $500 and give $300ish to mopar to get some good front end parts.. and then put the rest towards a K&N kit and maybee they'll even throw in some stickers
#44
I think some of you guys are missing the point. I'm really talking about an inexpesive package, for afew hundred dollars, that a bucks down enthusiast can add to his base Camaro.
If we're adding blowers, or turbos, or specific engines with slightly more displacement - cost wise, you might as well step up to a V8.
But If you can walk out of your local Chevy dealer, with near 300 hp, a six speed manual, upgraded brake pads, wheels/tires, firmed up suspension tune - for around $22,500 - $23,000, then we've got something.
If we're adding blowers, or turbos, or specific engines with slightly more displacement - cost wise, you might as well step up to a V8.
But If you can walk out of your local Chevy dealer, with near 300 hp, a six speed manual, upgraded brake pads, wheels/tires, firmed up suspension tune - for around $22,500 - $23,000, then we've got something.